Yes, but men work smarter.
I’m so getting slammed for this one.
Check out the article from the Progress:
“My job requires me to work very hard.” Do you strongly disagree, disagree, agree or strongly agree?
Chances are if you’re a woman, you are more likely to agree or strongly agree with that statement. University of Virginia sociologist Elizabeth Gorman and Washington State University sociologist Julie Kmec published a paper on the study in December’s issue of the journal Gender and Society.
In “We [Have to] Try Harder: Gender and Required Work Effort in Britain and the United States,” Gorman said the researchers discuss their findings about women’s perception of work and how they arrived at that conclusion.
So, gender issues included, how do you perceive your working environment?
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uhm, I work in the video games field. Not a whole lot of “battle of the sexes” going on in my industry…
(I shudder, and throw up a little, whenever my horrorscope says that I’ll have an office romance…)
Well you could have a “take out” in-office romance Oy?
I am suspicious of ALL sociological studies.
Read Malcolm Gladwell’s review of a new (and, it sounds to me, more accurate) take on the IQ-and-ethnicity argument here:
None of the Above: What IQ Doesn’t Tell You About Race
Fascinating!
Men don’t do anything smarter Thor…don’t you know the saying behind every great man or idea there is a great woman?! We women do work hard and smart, but let’s face it no one automatically assumes a woman can do a certain job or be the best at a job, like they do with men. While women are not generally given the benefit of the doubt, we prove ourselves time and time again to be at the top of our class. My own office had their doubts about me (being so young), however I have not only exceeded their expectations, I have taken over. I am also lucky enough to work in an office dominated by women. Oy maybe you and I should combine our offices and even things up a bit
hmm - we do have a conference room with a big table and a futon…
Maybe we women have to work harder because we have to pick up the slack for the [insert gender]?
The other possible implication of this study (which only determined to what extent each gender felt that they had to work harder at their particular job, with no determination of actual productivity, etc..) is that women have to work harder than men to do the same job. This study is merely a quantitative analysis (how much work…) rather than a qualitative approach (how good is the work being done?) Is it not possible to extrapolate from this meager kernel of data that men can do the same job with less effort?
This of course in no way reflects my true feeling on the matter, which are that if men weren’t needed to fix your cars, build your houses and un-clog your drains, you chicks would be running this place.
“…you chicks would be running the place.”
While that is brilliantly put H-D, just to update you, we chicks can fix our own cars, un-clog our drains, and build our own house and sometimes we even do it better than men. (I am saying none of this with any sort of anger) As heads up we do run the place (we can have anything and everything we want with just a little female manipulation) we just let you men think you are in charge (basically, we are stroking your male egos). Women like I said, are behind every great man, feeding him ideas and dinner. (Again, this is all said as sweet as can be–no bra burning here.)
That was exactly my thought Lu Sid, and let me just add to that, that women ran the planet in a female dominated society for 8000 years, before we graciously turn over the strearing wheel with the globalization of contemporary religion, I think there is regret on both sides of the fence, and I know there is an inate desire for many men to let their women “run the show”…..alright come on men pounce on me ready
I feel like I’m on the man side on this one. Women can fix cars and build houses and so on, but the vast majority choose not to. You can’t argue with that! The study shows women have a perception of working harder. I read that as more emotional exertion than physical work: “I carry more stress than men,” not “I stay at work later than men in my office.” With me so far?
I think that there could be a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy going on: because women are relatively newer to the work force and are very much aware of disparities in pay, and because women are also carrying the expectation of child-rearing, they will treat work as more of a burden than an opportunity, maybe subconsciously. I have definitely met college women who aren’t joking when they say they want a “MRS” degree.
I also wonder if women feel more stress/anxiety than men in general. Work could be the area of life where stress/anxiety is concentrated. I just can’t describe a single guy friend of mine as “dramatic.” In our society, it’s more acceptable for women to dwell on emotional crises than men. Entire magazines are devoted to helping women feel better about themselves. (I don’t think they do.)
My argument is just that in the context of the US on December 29, 2007, we’re still getting out of the 20th.
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Remember my Hooter’s argument? No?
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both men and women work harder than comcast. I traveled 12 hours from the wilds of New Hampshire with visions of high speed internet access dancing in my head, only to find that the Comcast is down and has been for hours. Craptastick!
I was compelled to check e-mail at my work place. Not where I want to be. No I go home to nap.
Sil I am offended you would even use the c word here, ironically this is the company we do not mention by name.
yah, in business as well. I’ve been in some meetings with guys that have, literally, almost come to blows. Yelling, screaming, pounding of tables.
Once the meeting was over, the “emotions” were over. The issues were resolved. It was, as the godfather would say, not personal, but business. Beers were drunk, laughter all around. I hate to sound a teensy bit sexist, but are most women capable of that?
oy, it’s okay. This female’s answer: unlikely. With my closest friends, I just want to level and sort out the perceptions from the realities of a situation. Both females have to value the continuation of the relationship in that way, agree that nothing can be gained from antagonism.
If there’s competition involved (ie business)… I bite my tongue starting now.
Lilith I am not the biggest fan of typical women. I have trouble relating to most women. However, I am also not the biggest fan of your response. I even feel slightly betrayed by one of my own kind. Like you said, women are somewhat new to the workforce and in my opinion have yet to extend their reach as far as it will someday go. I think a few years from now when you take your car into Jiffy Lube to get the oil changed (which is a piece of cake to do yourself ladies, I recommend everyone learn) a woman covered in grease will be the one to tell you that you are in need of a new air filter. I honestly believe in time gender specific jobs will no longer exist. Yes, you make a good point about women being emotional, but the further away we get from the stay-at-home mom the more logically driven we become. Women are slowly but surely adapting to a cut throat business world. I too met girls in college that were only there to gain a husband, not a degree, but I met more that wanted to run the country. Women of our generation are on a new path: one with less emotion, more drive, more greed, and unstoppable goals. It is a new age, an age of cold, calculating women set to take over the world. We may have started with vacuuming, but we are moving to world domination. (Just a heads up, Comcast is also trying to take over the world. I’m pretty sure they only want to so that they can then get away with having crappy service.)
On a lighter note the Viagra for women thing was a nice touch. Well done. Although I can’t help but wonder, why on earth would a woman NOT have a sexual drive?! Does that problem even exist?! I may need some more answers or even a survey…
because she’s in my presence…
Boys are good for picking up heavy things. And putting the spider outside while I stand on my desk and shriek.
I believe that women are perfectly capable of separating business from emotion with experience and discerned effort. Professionalo women are quite capable and reasonable women can compartmentalize emotions just as well as men. We may have to learn how to trust our emtions and learn how to react better to them, since we have been battered and told for ages that we were hysterical. No we are intuitive and sensitive, but absolutely positively just as capable of handling our emotions. Not only that we are superior when it comes to being emphatetic, which an incredibly important leadership skill.
HEAR HEAR Lu Sid, I am loving you all over again.
May I just add, that the States is a little behind on the progress when it comes to some fem lib issues etc (still celebrating some pretty stagnent and oldfashioned gender roles), but it also has more female business leaders than any other country in the world, and that is because emotions are not mutually exclusive to holding leadership roles in the executive world.
Ohh and in my view the biggest obstacle women have in proving themselves equal in business most often is the sabotage of other women, not men, so lets stick together, huh?
Nice add TwoOFour! You are absolutely right. I wanted to mention something about how women’s emotions could benefit them in the business world. I mean the fact that they can be so emotional makes them more involved in their job, they become “emotionally attached to work”. Not that they are all necessarily emotional. I am actually not going to add anymore fuel to my own fire. Shenanigans you are also right, there is one thing I cannot do that men can, kill/be near/remove spiders. I hate them. Just hate them.
Stay at home mom=HOT
Chick working on my car=Way HOT
Well I’ll just wait over here while all of you hug. If anyone spots a spider, just yell. Oh, and can I get my tires rotated while you’re at it?
Soon you will, Lillith. Soon you will
2o4 - I didn’t realize they were a sponsor
What the fuck Lillith???
A woman friend of mine wants to open a garage staffed by women for women, She’s gonna call it The G-Spot
Silmo, what you up to tonight? Good to see that you’re back.
Hey oy - before you put that conference room to good use, you might want to check with your employer to make sure that it’s ok to have sex with the cleaning woman on your desk. Believe it or not, some workplaces frown upon this behavior and might not tell you up front that it’s not ok:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k_iKwXWaYF8
FWIW, I think Lu Sid is exactly right about a future with woman mechanics and construction workers - just give it some time.
Good to be back H-D. I am hangin’ in watching New England lose and doin my best to keep the site alive. Whatchu doin’?
same thing apparently, probably head out in an hour or so for some adult beverages
I don’t usually watch the football so you can imagine my surprise at the number of Bud Light commercials
I am being good and staying in. Twelve hour drives have a way of taking it out of me, especially coming on 5 hours sleep
New England is working their way back up thank you.
Lu, what’cha doin for New Years? (other than crying over a perfect season undone in the final seconds)
Oh and Silmo please tell your friend I definitely want to apply for a position at the G Spot.
No Lu you wanna work with me
Hey! There will be no tears! (I am actually not even a huge NE fan, I just hate to see a perfect season go to waste again such a remedial team
My plans for New Years are undetermined at this time (aka I can’t decide what to do).
I don’t know — there could be some good money in this G Spot idea. The pay could minimum wage as long as the women could get tips…every man in town would be breaking his car just to visit the shop. Face, it is a marketing dream come true.
Sid, I want them to win. I hate to see a perfect season go to waste. Plus I am from NE
That’s New England not Nebraska
For the love of God Sid. What could possibly be better than 2o4’s party??? Are you waiting for that boy from english class to ask you out???
Lu, I don’t know if you want to work somewhere so hard to find its almost mythical. I took my Hummer there every day for a week, and then couldn’t find it anymore… its as if they packed up and moved. Great lube jobs and fluid changes though
Yes, a great season. It would be such a waste for them to lose now and like I said to a team that’s lacking.
New Year’s plans can be tough. I mean this is the start of…well a NEW YEAR! Plus, I was told it is important for me to turn my underwear inside out at midnight, will there be a place to do such things at this party?
Oh, and could you please pass this note to the guy next to you, I’m tired of waiting for his call
Are you talking about 2o4’s?
I would imagine the shop would run as a well oiled machine…
Yes, that would be what I was talking about
I think arrangements could be made to allow for that
lu, i love you for calling the giants a remedial team.
i don’t really care who wins as long as the giants cover the spread, though it would be kinda cool to see the pats pull off the perfect season.
also - where does this turning-underwear-inside-out-at-midnight-on-new-year’s-eve thing come from? color me intrigued…
yes, dying to know too.
Giants aren’t exactly the Raiders?!?
going to jump in the shower, want to see a good inderwear superstition story when I get back…. please
And they are back up!! Winners don’t go down without a fight.
B- I am not so sure where the underwear thing actually came from but I was told to have a good year (I am not sure it works as I have never done it) you have to wear red underwear all night and at midnight turn them inside out. I cannot explain crazy person logical I can only play along and if it works out take all the credit
Ya!!!! Got Patriots!
ignore the errant “t”
No, I like it better that way, but it needs a ?
Got Patriots?
hmmm. does it still work if someone else turns them inside out for you? i’ll, uh, take one for the team here in the name of science; volunteers welcome! (and in 367 days i’ll be sure to credit you, lu!)
Lu, Are you from the great Northeast?
Ha! What a team player!
SS- No I’m from the GREAT Northwest…so the complete opposite. I just happen to love a variety of teams from all over, however in this case, like I said I hate to see such a good thing end. It will be a sports story I’ll be sharing with my grandkids if they pull off the first undefeated season in 35 years.
You have grandkids?
No, no to tell my grandkids SOMEDAY, in the very, very, very distant future (you really need kids before you can have grandkids).
Well now I’m totally confused
Speaking of great seasons, how about those Celtics. Will the dynasty of all dynsasty’s continue?
Now I have to get the image of granny panties being turned inside out at midnight by an AARP’er out of my head! and red ones at that
Hey now, hey now my superstitious image should not be ruined because SS didn’t seem to get the Undefeated (still) New England story is good enough to tell my FUTURE grandkids 40 years from now.
I really have no comment on the Celtics. They are doing great and have played well this season, but I never gave them much mind before this year (I love the Kings…and they have basically sucked for the last three years so I have very low expectations for BB teams).
Until recently I hated sports but there is something about my hometown teams that is turning me into a fan… of course I did grow up during the Larry Bird era
Why aren’t you going out
Where do you find more Lus ?
Silmo, you quoted me for something I didn’t write in 26. Whaaaaat.
Lu Sid. Seriously?
To quote you in comment 8:
“(we can have anything and everything we want with just a little female manipulation) we just let you men think you are in charge (basically, we are stroking your male egos)”
Comment 15:
“It is a new age, an age of cold, calculating women set to take over the world. We may have started with vacuuming, but we are moving to world domination.”
You certainly don’t speak for all of us. Stick to your cool-chick football chat.
Lilith - WordPress said it not you, but I had to blame someone and well you know what they say about hurting the ones you love…
Alright, I guess I’ll be shopping for red underwear today, I am not taking any chances on my luck in 2008. And while we are at it, is there any other superstitions that I need to know about before tomorrow? And FYI there are multiple bathroom facilities, perfectly suited for underwear reversals, etc.
Lilith-I may generalizing women, but “I think that there could be a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy going on: because women are relatively newer to the work force and are very much aware of disparities in pay, and because women are also carrying the expectation of child-rearing, they will treat work as more of a burden than an opportunity, maybe subconsciously. I have definitely met college women who aren’t joking when they say they want a “MRS†degree.” does nothing but generalize our gender. Just as there are emotional and dramatic women there are women who can be as “undramatic” as men. We are not all run by our emotions. My point in my response was that women are moving in on men’s territory and soon there will be no complaints of “women working harder than men.”
I also know more than my fair share of “dramatic men”. They are far worse than any dramatic girl I have met thus far. Maybe a more detailed look into the male sex would give you some insight on my argument. Or maybe just a day in corporate life.
TwoOFour- Yes! Red Underwear all around! I am not sure what else is required to have a good year, but I would venture to say beginning it with a bottle of champaign should do the trick.
Interestingly enough, I wore red underwear last year without even knowing about this “myth.” I didn’t turn them inside out however, and I would say overall my year has been meh. I guess I got some good mojo out of the red, but down the stretch I lost it since I didn’t do the inside out thing.
Tim, so any clarity on your plans yet?
In the fem lib leader country in the world Denmark, the trend shows that equality is happening in the home first, men there just as often as women take their maternity leave (same as for women) and stay home with the kids. Women still have the same disparity in pay in Denmark, and hold fewer leadership postions than men on average. but they have also gained on the ratio in politics and I believ there is a 50/50 when it comes to politicians.
Of course I generalized. I just don’t want to be part of a “cold, calculating” generalization in the same way you don’t want to be part of one that “dwells on emotional crises.” Seem about right? I think this is the part where we shake hands, share a beer, and agree to disagree?
“Or maybe just a day in corporate life.” I just got a kick out of that one
Tim will be celebrating the dawn of the final year of Republican rule in the nation’s capital.
Lu Sid - It sounds like you may be envious of the social position men have maintained throughout history.
Thor, I know you are playing the devils advocate, but men have only been in that social position since the dawn of monotheism, which is really but a fraction of time, in the context of the history of man (and Woman)
oh, I’m totally a feminist don’t get me wrong.
Lies.
How can I prove it?
You could write a post about how amazing women are, somethings about some of the amazing women you have met, your mom, and all the great things you have seen women accomplish. It seems totally reasonable
That will need to be a ten page essay by the way
as long as you write a 5 page essay on how much you need men in your life; it’s only fair.
I do NOT need men.
awww.. I think Thor has a new internet crush!
HD, you are right. Floozy, like Lys, you are no longer my virtual crush.
Lu Sid, you are my internet crush now.
oh, and in case anyone was wondering, my prior cvillain crushes were:
http://www.cvillain.com/?p=471#comment-5815
and
http://cvillain.com/?p=583#comment-8671
Oh you just like a girl that doesn’t fall easily to your lightening…
Get a (chat) Room you two!
flooze, you ARE still my virtual crush babycakes!…..and 2o4 and silm and hipdoof and oy and thor and lillith.
Really C, blushes…
2….don’t forget those red panties honey, I’ll meetcha in stall #3
*wink wink*
Oh C, You make me so happy. Miss you dearly
NBC29 late news just showed footage of preparations for New Years that they shot at two local restaurants, OXO and Rivals! tell me you’re not involved in that somehow, tidalbomb. Maybe Christina Mora is a lurker with a sense of humor?
Nice job, John, Lena, and especially Mark!
im so sick of oxo … seriously
By the name alone I can tell it’s horrible, but just what is Rivals?
Rivals is the sports bar that operates out of the old “Wolfie’s” space on Rio Rd. by putt-putt. The OXO/Rivals connection started here:
http://cvillain.com/?p=485