Spotted over the weekend in an athletic building in Blacksburg, Va.:
Um, dudes? You might want to change the name…
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Spotted over the weekend in an athletic building in Blacksburg, Va.:
Um, dudes? You might want to change the name…
Popularity: 41% [?]
Tagged as: "michael vick", athletics, blacksburg, dogs, silly
He paid for it, he’s one of the best athletes in school history, and as far as anyone knows, he wasn’t involved in dog fighting while he was at Tech. They won’t take his name off of it, and they won’t take down his banner at Lane Stadium.
Change it to what? Anthony Michael Hall?
/Breakfast Club flashback
he is a disgrace! I don’t care what kind of athlete he was.
They didn’t change the name of Reagan Natl. Airport, and he has far more blood on his hands. *ducks*
/grampa caligula
We should change the name of Jefferson everything because he had adulterous sex with one of his slaves? Jeez, get over it already. The guy made a few big, stupid mistakes. I believe he’s sorry and doing his time. Give a guy a chance to reform.
but I LOVE PITBULLS! and in my world Reagan is just DCA.
DCA? Diefied Conservative Anachronism?
For the record, I’ll happily mock Thomas Jefferson, Ronald Reagan, and all others worthy for their shortcomings.
And no, I don’t really expect them to change the name of it any time soon. Just thought it was a bit surprising.
Dried Cryogenic Anomalies? Dusty Coots’ Analogies? Drink Cognac Annually?
I have to agree with Floozy on this one
@6 and 8 I just call the airport DCA sillies not him personally… irony factor? Reagan began the demise of Unions. He fired all the air traffic controllers when they were on strike, and replaced them with untrained,
unexperienced people jeopardizing air safety.
Yeah, so maybe he didn’t dog-fight while he was at tech, but did hear from VT attending friends that he did lots of drugs and was an asshole. But he was such a good athlete so we should overlook all the other stuff.
@ 11 fired all the air traffic controllers
And there in lies the ironing.
@ 10 Um… the flooz has not posted in this thread.
@12: Did he do drugs while in school? Probably, but who didn’t? Was he an asshole? Probably, but what star athlete isn’t? I’m not saying he is a model citizen or a role model, but he has had a greater impact on VT than any other single alumni. Since he came to Tech, the number of applications received has doubled. And these aren’t a bunch of idiots that are applying. Look at the rankings of the engineering and business schools since he came to Tech. Both have gotten stronger. Until someone shows me proof that he broke the law while attending Tech, I’ll defend any decision the school makes about recognizing him as a star athlete.
I am a huge fan of his Vapor Rub.
I liked him better when he was Ron Mexico
He brought Tech a lot of $$$ right? And paid for that hall, right? So there ya go. $$$ is the most important thing.
@6 Oh pit bulls. When will the fun ever stop!
@14: Vick never graduated from Tech, therefore he is not an alumnus. Even if he had, I would argue that Frank Beamer has had more of an impact on Tech than any other alumnus. And Beamer is an alumnus.
True Vick never graduated from Tech, but he has still had a greater impact on the school than any alumni. Beamer has done great things for Tech, but he was head coach for 22 years before Vick came. During those 22 years, the school was not recognized nationally. It wasn’t until Vick came and led us to a national championship berth that we started getting national recognition. The year after he took us to the national championship the university saw the single largest increase in applications it has ever seen. I cannot find statistics to back this up. All I can do is reference my notes from Theory of Organization with Dr. Paul Torgersen who was President of VT when Vick attended.
They should just change the name to Vick Tech(VT).
*crawls under rock*
So the fact that he helped get a sports team recognition and has lots of money trumps the fact that he abused and tortured animals?
Ew.
No, this started with whether or not the name of Michael Vick Hall should be changed. I will never defend him for dog fighting, but I will defend the school for continuing to use his success on the football field to strengthen the university as a whole.
@20: If it weren’t for Beamer and the foundation that he has built over 22 years (recruiting, Bud Foster, etc.), Vick would not have come to Tech. And I disagree that Tech did not have a national reputation before Vick. Remember the teams with Jim Drunkenmiller? Therefore, IMO, Beamer > Vick. However, you make good points.
@23 - I understand that. But he is also now forever associated with dog fighting. I would think the school would want to take that into account too. Or does at one time being a great athlete mean you can do whatever you want the rest of your life and nobody cares?
Oh. Right.
As my original tone was a bit flippant, I’d like to thank trillian in 25 for saying concisely and eloquently what I really meant. Because she got it exactly right.
r does at one time being a great athlete mean you can do whatever you want the rest of your life
Pretty much.
*cough cough* OJ *cough*
And besides, dog fighting is so two years ago. Best gin up your umbrage, and get with the new hotness.
@25 well clearly people cared because he is now serving his time. I find the dog fighting completely appalling but through not only money but recognition it’s no question that he helped the school out a lot so I am glad they didn’t just throw up their hands when he was convicted. I feel like his impact on Tech is more positive than negative. I don’t see his name remaining on the hall as saying ‘it’s okay that he tortured animals’. I see it as recognition for what he did for the school while he was at Tech.
also @19 I thought the definition of alumna was anyone who graduated or is a former student of a college or university…so wouldn’t he still be alumna? /don’t think it really matters all that much, just curious.
@27. Are you trying to say something about the juice? Just because he beat his wife (I’m sure she deserved it, what wife doesn’t?) and then tried to set up some fancy robbery doesn’t mean the juice thinks he’s above the law. tah, who are you kidding?
I had OJ for breakfast.
Does anyone know if the dog-fighting ring brought in any profits?
@29: You are correct, technically an alumnus (male) or alumna (female) is someone who either attended or attended and graduated from an institution. But I think conventional useage is someone who actually graduated.
I had OJ for breakfast.
Not me. I couldn’t concentrate.
Trivia time: OJ went to Galileo HS in SF, a highschool that carried the nickname “Hatchet High” because of a high profile gang related “hatchet to the face” incident.
No point, and only marginally interesting.
There was a guy that lit a cat on fire at my high school (he was beaten to a pulp soon after), but we were not known as “Hot Pussy High”. No fair, I say!
I looked in this thread hoping to find a debate about the laws disallowing me from bringing my leashed pets into Wal-Mart.
Dog fighting is just as bad as horse racing, human boxing, and midget tossing. Don’t tell me those animals don’t get hurt, too. Go ahead and say, “yeah, but dog fighting is illegal”. I ask you if you speed or smoke pot, or have mutilple wives. Breaking the law is just not relevent when it comes to morality.
I think he also had friendly, domesticated, non-fighting pets, that lived in his house. Just sayin’.
I think he also had friendly, domesticated, non-fighting pets, that lived in his house.
aka - his entourage?
Gobbler, comment #37 sounds like it was written by a fucking idiot. How many human boxers are strangled, drowned, electrocuted or starved to death when they don’t perform well? Midget tossing? are you kidding me? What rock have you been living under? He’s got household pets so we should forgive him? Does that mean he only tortured animals to death at “work”? Horse racing? wtf are you thinking?
doof, you know personal attacks aren’t allowed. I understand Gobbler is saying some stuff that makes you angry, but can you please be kind?
I don’t think he’s personally attacking Gobbler, he’s just not cool with the comment. Being an animal lover myself, I don’t see how dogfighting is equivalent to horse racing etc…I think it’s a pretty moronic comment myself. I cannot fathom how he would think they’re similar. But perhaps Gobbler doesn’t stop and fully understand how awful dogfighting really is.
Can someone please explain to me what he did besides play football well? Is that really all you need to do for people to start skimming over other horrible acts? It seems to me not so long ago we were all talking about how stupid a UVa football player was for stealing and ruining his life and oh my what a moron. Does Vick get extra points because he made it to the NFL? Dog fighting is despicable, inhuman, cruel, and really horrific. I just don’t understand saying “Well, he did this horrible thing, but look what he did for football.”
/Can’t forgive those who are mean to animals. Ever.
but the slaughter and consumption of hormone injected anti-bioticaly grown cows ,which are forced to eat genetically modified corn (they like grass and hay) is just peachy, right?
21 Apr 2008 at 3:24 pm22trillian said:
So the fact that he helped get a sports team recognition and has lots of money trumps the fact that he abused and tortured animals?
Ew.
21 Apr 2008 at 3:27 pm23echo said:
No, this started with whether or not the name of Michael Vick Hall should be changed. I will never defend him for dog fighting, but I will defend the school for continuing to use his success on the football field to strengthen the university as a whole.
21 Apr 2008 at 3:30 pm25trillian said:
@23 - I understand that. But he is also now forever associated with dog fighting. I would think the school would want to take that into account too. Or does at one time being a great athlete mean you can do whatever you want the rest of your life and nobody cares?
Oh. Right.
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Yeah, Hitler did some positive stuff, too, but nobody in their right mind would condone “Hitler Hall.”
Michael Vick is a POS, pure & simple. Must have been a character flaw from way back. You don’t just all of a sudden decide to start abusing animals. And people that abuse animals will abuse people, too.
Y’all have prolly already seen this, but if you haven’t , google “run Vick run.”
@43: Oh, sweetie, you are preaching to the choir. Most of us are vegetarians.
@45.. about 20% actually
http://cvillain.com/2008/04/11/what-kind-of-eater-are-you/
Let me go ahead and clarify my opinion about dog fighting. I think it is absolutely disgusting. I in no way condone his abuse of animals. That being said, the university acknowledges the fact that, as a result of his prowess on the football field, he had a very positive impact on the entire university. Have we been able to recruit better football players as a result, yes, but we have also gotten some much better students. The average GPA and SAT score of incoming freshman has drastically increased since Vick went to Tech. That is why the University hasn’t taken down the banner with his name that hangs in Lane Stadium, and I’d assume the football meeting rooms are still called Michael Vick Hall because there is a legal document saying that because he paid for the facility, he gets his name on it.
/nothing against meat eaters. just noting the i’orny, hun.
Dang. Who let the dogs out?
/who who?
@46: Thanks number geek, but there the most regular posters on here are veggie.
@48: Believe me, I understand… darling.
Re Post 46:
Why was carpet not an option?
@13 - I told you I agreed with the Flooze
Silmo… MARRY ME?
sorry you guys, we’re not allowed to have weddings on the internet anymore. too annoying.
Oh Bollocks. …..Well how about a casual shag then?
casual shags are still in play, you may commence.
Crap Parlie… you took so long he has fallen asleep. Darn.. another night of lonely gusset typing…. nite all.
Why do people insist on equating education with athletics? It is an insult to the academe to place sports on such a high plane. I understand that a winning sports program can benefit a university’s educational programs. What I can’t accept is that they are placed on a par with educational programs. The language alone is telling, “educational programs.” A university doesn’t have “educational programs,” a university IS an educational program. Athletics should be a diversion not a reason for being. If it is indeed true that Vick or any athlete had more of an impact on the success of the university than anyone else, that fact should not a point of pride but a source of shame and embarrassment.
LMAO
@57 WHAT?!? No I’m awake! OK Let’s have at it then . . . umm you start
58: Apparently, Silmo and trillian and I will be doing a reading forthwith of Beer and Circus. Stay tuned!
Um, and like, keep hooking up in the thread or whatever you guys were up to in the meantime.
@ 61, can i join in the reading? i’ve had to bite my tongue a lot on this thread. ouchie.
Bite your tongue no longer, dear buster. What did you want to say?
@ 63 - mostly agreement with you, sil, and trillian about the ridiculousness of athletes being excused their behavior just because of their sportsman-status. but also that horse racing and dog fighting are nowhere near on the same plane re: cruelty to the animals involved. and, lastly, that al groh earns my eternal ire for trying to turn my alma mater into a “football school” instead of letting our reputation rest (rightly so) on academics.
that’s the short version since i need to sleep, but i’ll be happy to hork a space bag or two full of details later on, if folks take a break from the makeouttage.
OH! and eduardo, i don’t think there’s anyone raised in the DC area who actually calls DCA “reagan”. i always have, and always will, called/call it “national”.
/and i’m spent.
64: Well put. We’ll put you on the reading docket.
according to rivals.com (NFL DRAFT) website Michael Vick not only sucks offfield but sucked on the field too. He is ranked #10 worst draft pick in the history of the NFL… “For all his wondrous talents, never was a great passer or great leader, and his off-field immaturity may have ended his career prematurely.”
Horses raced in big races are often totally jacked on pain killers, roids abs and other meds. The injury rate is high and if you’ve never read/seen how prize horses are bred it’s pretty fucking barbaric. Not all horses are Barbaro, a lot are “food” and are shipped as “cargo” with no food or water and are exposed to extremes of temperature on the days long journey to the slaughterhouse where their throats are cut or their heads are cracked with a hammer. Dogs that don’t race well are still killed, often in ways exactly the same or just as brutal as the Vick dogs were disposed of. Drowned, shot, beaten. They can’t jump or climb stairs after being adopted, if they get adopted. So the two “sports” are really brutal and end the lives of many animals early and in painful ways. Animals lots of folks could call “pets”.
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