Hello Everyone,
I’m writing you on behalf of everyone at Spicy Bear. We’ve had a lot of fun over the last two years or so. Things were fun and innocent for a long time. cVillain grew from a handful of readers to a web audience that rivals anything else in town. We’ve had too much fun drinking, raising thousands of dollars for charity and bantering all day long about everything from politics to local restaurants. We always wanted the site to bring honesty to Charlottesville. It’s been a great party, but now we need to remove ourselves from cVillain because it turned into a stressful endeavor which exposes us to unneeded issues. The small things have gotten overly burdensome in recent months and life is more important.
I do care a whole lot about cVillian; it’s not about the money. It’s about a peace of mind and picking your battles. I feel like every time we have to stand up for cVillain, it’s standing up for the entire community in one way or another. You have all been incredibly supportive whether it’s offering to pay for lawsuit threats, writing articles, buying advertising on our site, or just continuing to read our site. I feel though we’ve taken cVillain as far as awe can and now it’s time to focus on other things that reward us mentally.
Honestly, I’m tired of the issues and we want to give cVillain back to the community, but we don’t want to manage it. If someone wants to step up email me at kyle@spicybear.com . If we can’t find someone, then we will turn it off completely.
The issue really is about priority of time. It’s a good thing to have an addiction to certain things, but not when those things aren’t exciting anymore.
Several specific events lead me to remove ourselves from the website:
C-VILLE Weekly and the cover story, Is This the New Face of Evil?
When Cathy Harding and Scott Weaver approached me to do a cover article, I was excited about the exposure it would generate for cVillain. Having not dealt with local media, I naively agreed to it. As it turned out, C-VILLE turned the article into a clever hatchet job. The article cleverly mixed together insults and untruths about my profession and created the appearance of some nonsensical fight between Kate and myself. C-VILLE had me pose for that picture explaining that they intended to use the headline “King of Local Media” or something along those lines. The “New Face of Evil” was embarrassing and an unethical choice on their behalf. In addition to this I’ve had many non-public issues which don’t need to be shared, because I’m not going to stoop to that level.
Rosenberg Lawsuit
When people can take advantage of a legal system for frivolous means, you know there is a whole lot more coming. It’s not worth fighting these people for a website that doesn’t have the financial means to defend itself. I discovered being a public figure of a popular local website must expose you to a lot of this riff-raf. Secondly, the failure of these types of people to see the service and benefit provided to the community confuses me. I think with anything new and undefined, you face people who are resistant to change and don’t attempt to understand things. Restaurants, for the most part, have a really hard time taking criticism. But guess what? Having conversations with people, a la cVillain or any other public forum, is how you resolve things.
Dealing with Negative Perpetuated Rumors
When one of our advertisers told us that the word was going around that we “lied and cheated” our advertisers, I couldn’t believe it. Dealing with negative image about your character, wherever it came from, is not fun and not something I want to manage.
Starting CrossFit Charlottesville & Managing my Consulting Business
I’m about to start a new hobby, a gym we’re launching called “CrossFit Charlottesville (website up soon).” You’ve probably heard some rumors about that, but I want to be able to devote 100% of my free time to it. I also make a living consulting and doing M&A work for companies. That’s about to get a whole lot busier as the economy turns around and, quite frankly, I’d rather do that than deal with a website that causes more problems and takes more time and money than anyone would be happy about.
I guess that’s all. I’m sure some will celebrate and others will be sad. For those who wanted this day to come, just remember, it’s about choosing your battles and I don’t care to fight the little things any more. For those who are sad, don’t worry. I’ll still be out and about, running a gym and generally being a Charlottesville citizen.
Our final day will be July 30th, 2009 and we thank all of you for being such a wonderful community.
Related posts:
- Goodbye cvilleMUSE
- cVillain = Top 20 “People” to Watch in Charlottesville?
- Parlie the Swan Battles the Mighty River. Pollution.
The other shoe has dropped. Godspeed, Kyle.
The Death Knell of cVillain tolled on March 14, 2008. Lilith knew. She saw what was happening. She left. Hell, she fled for her life. Good for her.
I’ve been in Cyberspace since the mid 1980’s. Never once in all that time have I seen an online community successfully taken over by the inmates.
The inmates who take over the asylum are always “cult personalities” who exclude and discourage newcomers. Without fresh lifeblood, nothing can survive. Life is snuffed out.
An online community CAN’T be about YOU or a tiny band of Kool Kids or groupies. That’s just a blogring or flist. I know because I created a popular online community and had to shut it down because egos and self interest got in the way. Like Lilith, I left.
I’ve checked out quite a few people here and there are almost no comments on any of your blogs. People don’t care about you outside of cVillain. For every active commenter, there are at least 50 lurkers who would never pay to read your palaver. The business owner knows this and is bailing out. It’s his latest marketing campaign to sell cVillain for maximum profit.
All of you Kool Kids should have known better, but you were all too in love with yourselves and each other and jerking each other off.
When “free media” is bought and the economy tanks and the business owner needs to divest himself of a financial drain….this is what happens. He entices others to invest in the business so he can profit a little from the loss. And he’s very, very good at it. He’s a businessman. And The Kool Kids are his slobbering investors.
FUCK. Another social community brought down by a greedy business owner and a tiny group of playground bullies who beat up and chased away anyone who wasn’t “one of them.” The playground is littered with liquor and wine bottles and MAS menus and the ground itself is poisoned with vicious snark.
The Playground Owner and The Kooler Than Thou Kids destroyed their own playground.
Run along now, children. Back to the obscurity from whence you came.
Goodbye my friend…………..
The problem with screeds like this is that if you disagree, they are very hard to criticize without making them true. However, I think this one merits an attempt.
First, having spoke with Lilith when she was considering leaving, the reasons she was dealing with had absolutely nothing to do with what you are on about. At least thats my recollection. Perhaps you guys are best friends in real life and you have access to information I dont. If you are just pulling assumptions out of your ass, well, you’re wrong.
The accusations of cliquishness here have been levied again and again, and truthfully i dont get it. The folks here have always been more than welcoming to anyone, even people who disagree with nearly everyone. The vibe I have felt here has always been ‘the more the merrier’. At least thats my take. Yeah there is a lot of shit talking, but its just that. It doesn’t mean anything. I guess I can see folks with too thin a skin to take a joke having a hard time, but man, thats their lot in life.
You say you have never seen an online community “taken over” by egomaniacal users and then you say that it happened to a community you yourself created. I dont understand that. It happens all the time. Kyle is a good business man, true, but I never got the feeling that this was about business for him. If you even took the time to read what he wrote (“I do care a whole lot about cVillian; it’s not about the money.”), you would realize that too. Seems to me that its just too much to deal with at this time, and with litigious chucklebuckets like rosenberg kicking it up a notch, I dont blame him. A “greedy business owner”? Hardly. I’d wager that thru cvillain he has sent more money into charity than he has his own pocket.
Further, the “Kool Kids”, as you call the people here, strike me as just silly and irreverant, mostly killing time at work or home, cracking jokes and basically not taking much too seriously. You on the other hand, with your rash assumptions, your sweeping patronizing judgement and your “Well I’ve been online since the 80’s” and “you all dont have comments on your blogs” douchebaggery strike me as the one trying to pose as some sort of elite know it all. Who are you, the internet’s mom? Projection much?
Lastly, If you think this site is such a cesspool, why are you so disturbed to see it go? Thats the thing I dont get about posts like this… If it sucks so much, why are you participating? Who cares?
Absolutely correct as always. The prorverbial…I’m taking my ball and it is my ball and I’m going home w/ it. This whole masturbatory effort has been everything and that and all of that. It is so very tiny. I was one of the ones wandering around at the very beginning. Lost boys or girls I left quickly because I prefer those who don’t follow (Mitchell) those who aren’t afraid (jJonii)
And he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday
Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafe
You laugh, he said you think you”re immune, go look at your eyes
They”re full of moon
You like roses and kisses and pretty men to tell you
All those pretty lies, pretty lies
I wish I had a River I could fade away on. I made my baby say goodbye.
This has always been bullshit by poker players that didn’t know how to read tells or read people. Folding was always the only answer/
it is a little bit of the ball scenario, IMO, but Kyle is offering to share to ball and let someone else play with it for awhile.
CrossFit: We share our balls.
Is there only one ball? If cVilleStyle is considered another ball then Kyle has 2 balls, and is offering to let someone play with his balls. A small point, but I believe worth clarifying.
that is awesome
Yeah, but what about when cville muse was still around? Cuz 3 balls is just like weird.
Those who have physical peculiarity
specifically that of tritesticularity
aren’t ashamed, not at all
of our one extra ball
unlike those who have a mere singularity.
Bahahaha. Somebody read a few too many fairy tales growing up.
I’m glad Dee Dee spoke up. Just today I was e-bullied by Shenanigans and that gun-toting monkey, Donk.
Did not.
(sarcasm)
As a semi-unfrequent visitor to this site i would highly agree with post #2 DEE DEE. It felt like a high school clique of about twelve frequent visitors, discussing many off topic items.
What’s my motivation to purchase advertising on this site? Well ,it looks like all the hipsters (“we are not hipsters”) will be going back to the rant & rave forum of craigslist to have the cool kids meetings.
Sure there are/were many lurkers…But it appears only about a dozen people or so were active in conversing about nonsense…constantly.
What does semi-unfrequent mean exactly? I really would like to know.
I’ve never once had Pabst Blue Ribbon.
OMG you found my myspace profile picture!!!
you hack0r
But it appears only about a dozen people or so were active in conversing about nonsense…
Ahem: So. Fucking. What.
Seriously.
Ah-choo.
Without much diversified traffic on a website, it becomes hard to appeal to businesses for advertising dollars.
I could advertise to more than twelve people with a sharpie marker on a Bodo’s wall.
Seriously.
So fucking what, pertains to what post#2 said about anyone out of the CLIQUE commenting on this site. this is the response you get. Snide, pissie rich kids who can’t let the high school years stay in the past. Must keep some type of clique running to feel socially justified?
So.to.sum.it.up.you.and.your.pompous.ass.internet.buddies.go.back.to.craigslist.and.hang.with.the.cesspool.of.ignorance.and.senseless.bitching.and.nonsense.
t-minus nineteen days till your clubhouse lined with mirrors shuts down.
seriously.
seriously, belmont yo, you are such a spoiled rich kid.
Oh whatever dude. You are entitled to your opinion. It has been my understanding that Kyle was never into this site to get rich, therefore tearing you away from your sharpie method of marketing was never a goal. Yeah a few ads here and there are nice to cover cost, but that was never the point. So if there are only twelve people yapping away about stupid shit, so what? If it ends, so what?
And pompous? Lord. Reread your own shit. You wander in here with all your big fat nastiness, talk all kinds of trash hiding behind your anonymity, and then accuse people here of being cliquish when they dont wanna hug you? Christ.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go wash your troll smell off in a bath of hundred dollar bills and dry myself with my varsity jacket.
/cant believe i took the bait – i really have to stop.
My evaluation of your position is necessarily colored by the fact that I left C’ville and now live on the beach in New England (and thus have an excellent frame of reference), but here goes: I believe that you’re suffering from sand in your vagina. Yup — unmistakable gritty choch.
Who gives a fuck? It’s just a blog.
Christfuck. I don’t wanna go back to working. How much does it cost to run this shit?
Depends if you have lawsuits or not. Operating a website is cheap from a $ perspective, but the hours of administering comments, staying up to date with emails, etc are overbearing.
If it’s not the money, why not crowdsource some of the menial stuff to some of us volunteers? I would bet that moderating comments, etc. could easily be handled by some people around here.
I would guess you would have to have someone solid to rely on for advertising, etc., but for the rest…
Which kind of leads me to believe that it is a financial decision, seeing as there haven’t been any calls for moderators/admins.
Somebody let me know where the after party is, I dont want to go back to CL RnR. I’d run a bitch, but I already have three jobs. Be willing to pitch in if someone else wants to take the helm, though.
I suppose I could just troll the shit out of the cville weekly boards in the mean time…
LOL RNR.
Ok, I say cVillains vote for a board to take over. I’d like to suggest myself, B Yo, and whomever else would like to contribute/help out with this.
We should all get together one night this week for a drink to celebrate the fun we all have had here. Suggestions? Good luck Kyle.
We’ll plan something, don’t worry!
Booooo. Giving up is giving in to the old media and the douchebags. I will not go quietly into that night.
this is very very sad. please someone talented and willing to spend the time take this up. this site is way too good to go away.
Wait you ending the same week that CLAW is ending? Perhaps we could just merge the two?
I only ever alluded to that C-VILLE article in my comments because I thought it was ridiculous. Hope you saw the humor in it…
too bad. i wish you’d keep takin’ suggestions, keep truckin’, and keep on keepin’ on.
looks like cvilleStyle is already down?
Amen.
Word.
i’d be happy to help in any way I can. i’d even agree never to post/comment if that would make my direct involvement more agreeable to whomever might assume the helm.
takeover options, a few clever and fearless folks who might agree to run it?
Jen/Sian and their PEP?
The Bridge Collective?
Jaymee of Try & Make?
the PCA (NOT!!! PSYCHE!!!!)
the Darren Hoyt Empire?
Max Fenton God Bless Him, Internet Wizard and Cultural Genius, New Media Dude?
New Media Studies Center at UVA?
Birch Studios?
Monkeyclaus/Peter Angelasto?
No, no, no, no, no, no ,no, no, and no
this is the stupidest summer ever.
Are we sure this isn’t an April Fool’s post that got caught up in the spam filter for a few months?
/single tear running down my cheek.
//good, nay, great run.
Stop crying pussy
/and help us keep it up
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
and we are just the guys/gals to do it!
It was the French that bombed Pearl Harbor you twat.
“stop crying pussy and help us keep it up” – that could quite possibly be the photo caption of the decade. I’m not sure which photo or which decade, but still.
What a bunch of crap. Of course I respect your decision to close it. But it is really sad that these inane problems have gotten so out of control. Sorry, dude. We’ll miss Cvillain, and hope the community can somehow keep it afloat.
Ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
As if I needed another reason to wish I were rich…
What exactly are the specs/monies involved with operating this thing, anyway?
If we unite our cVillain powers, we can keep this ship afloat.
I’m in for helping Shen…
same here. i’ll write stuff, review stuff, take turns approving comments, contribute cash—whatever is useful.
This reminded me of the Captain Planet theme song… “With our powers combined….”
I do agree, though.
This is a fine idea but part of me wonders that Kyle and Thor are reading this and giggling at the thought of us having to run this thing on our own.
serious question: which one of the weekly is better, cville or the hook and do they each try to serve a different market?
also, which one will make it, as i dont have time to read both and one will bomb out in this economy
my own opinion that’s gonna get smashed on here – C-VILLE is a better read. More dialogue, less monologue. More relevant stories for today. More edgy, sure, but overall I prefer it.
A tip to any new owners:
Publish your ad rates (don’t make us email a sales person for them) and make it cheaper.
This is a common practice in the biz, Amanda. Making it cheaper… now that’s something that could change. If cVillain remains, natch.
… Sorry to see you go, Kyle!
sorry to hear about this…..
anyone checked on floozy?
Bless it, this sucks. I’ll throw in what I can… Although I have ZERO experience moderating a website.
If this bawdy band of commenters can’t keep cVillain afloat, I will definitely shed a couple of tears.
Jesus H… only just got to catch up. Fuck.
xoxo, floozy. what a way to start the night, eh?
Tragedy
I’ve always been more of a lurker than commenter, but I will surely miss this site if it does go under
Plus one to that.
I’d be game to throw my talents into saving this place, if I had any talents.
is this the new face of evil? =>
i dunno kyle—is there any way to sell us subscriptions or something?
a small monthly fee to be a commenter? and for non-commenters, posts publicly visible but a fee to see the full threads? Something like the Match.fuck business model—where the basics are visible to anyone, but if you want to see the whole profile, or send notes, a gal has to join and put-out a lot for random lying and diseased strange guys? wouldn’t that pay for a moderator (part-time); then find an ad salesperson to work part-time on commission-only, with posts done by commenters or submitted from lurkers and screened by the moderator?
this is a remarkable thing you’ve built and nurtured… are you certain you want to let it go? isn’t there some way to just OWN it, and take no heat for doing so from the press and restaurants and so on?
also—did CvilleStyle get sold, or will that be folding also?
Don’t let it go, don’t let it go…..it’s goooooood product!!
You all can very easily set up a message board on ProBoards. I think it’s free because they’ll put some google ads on the page. It’s a popular format.
http://www.proboards.com/
Proboards, unfortunately, do not have the same capability as wordpress. And, they’re quite oogly!
Right. It’s harder to sue a message board. Not impossible, but harder.
Moderation is much easier on a board, too.
Not trying to push for this, just offering it as an alternative.
What is the difference between oogly and fuggly?
Where are Thors 3 through 27? Conspicuously absent.
figuring out our demise.
maybe CrossFit is hiring?
How much would everyone pay for a subscription???
HA! Just start your own blog for free on blogger or wordpress, or buy a domain name if you want to get fancy. But honestly, why pay a subscription to participate in an overgrown chat room?
Wow, I’m too old to change my habits. It has been one of my first reads every morning. Will be greatly missed.
It doesn’t matter how much everyone pays to subscribe, someone still has to be “responsible” for the site, and thus he who gets sued. Kyle is sick of being the one threatened and the one who has to constantly defend the site. And he’s too busy pumping iron to approve comments and answer emails. So we can all help out by moderating but who’s willing to be held accountable for the site the next time some crybaby wants to sue?
Just hope and pray Cville’s all outta crybabys. Bye Rosenberg.
This is bullshit. I’ll help any way I can.
“So we can all help out by moderating but who’s willing to be held accountable for the site the next time some crybaby wants to sue?” That’d be easy, considering there won’t be a company to file suit against. It’d be on the individual.
yeah, well I’m John Doe #3!!
Gah. Such BS.
Dude, he’s taken.
Need to type my email address correctly. D’oh.
I do have to say: spot on, tRucks. Probably the most entertaining thing I’ll read all day.
Here’s a song for your END CREDITS!
Or honestly, how about a little Stryper?
Orrrr….a little Journey can take you a long way.
/does NOT want to be here today.
Except I would gladly fling bacon dates at Kyle without an ounce of compunction. Nothing against kyle, its just that Im not fond of anything wrapped in bacon.
Completely understand. I’m just glad you’re sticking around Charlottesville! Thanks for creating cvillain and for all the work you’ve put in since!
If I gave up drinking I would have the time to do it, but fuck that for an idea.
Another option would be to get a lawyer to help us start a non profit and have people send dollar donations that way. Then, transfer cVillain to that non profit and then solicit volunteers to manage forums with rules that we stamp out together.
aka, Wikipedia?
It’s easy to start a nonprofit… you don’t need a lawyer to set up a 501(c). It costs about $100 and can be done online.
I used Legalzoom to set up both my LLC and 503(c) and they did a great job and it was cheap. I think a 503 (c) was $139 plus state fee.
i’ll pay the 100 bucks if it will save Cvillain. Kyle?
floozy—got a link to the online nonprofit-o-matic website?
sure… it’s $75 to file.
Now I understand why Kyle has been bashing ACAC…
Talking of bashing, how is Rihanna?
Boy, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard that joke, Floozy. I can’t believe nobody had ever thought of that before now!
“Life is a cup to be filled, not drained” Something you wrote once that had meaning to you.
So why you draining our cup, Kris?
LOL. Donk showed me that.
The all-stars on this site all share one quality: a sweaty eagerness to amuse the other jaded regulars combined with a fearless, devil-may-care attitude of attacking well-established bugbears that the crowd has previously condemned. The desperate striving on this site is fun to watch.
I’d say that there are some of us (or wait, do I not count as an “all-star”?) that don’t fit your mold.
I’m lame. I know that I’m lame. I don’t try to not be lame. It’s who I am.
Right, so I can be associated with Bukowski and people will understand how talented, yet troubled I truly am.
My gravatar is crying on the inside
“Just like Pagliacci did
I try to keep my surface hid
Smiling in the public eye
But in my lonely room I cry
The tears of a clown
When there’s no one around, “
More like a decomposing Fraggle. What is that anyway?
It’s a Pinkerton zombie hamster Serge. He is this special effects genius, who makes shit for horror films etc. Here is his site
It just bears an uncanny resemblance to me with a tequila hangover. Oh be afraid. Very afraid.
Fucking thing href=”http://www.pinkertonfx.com”>….here
yeah, make fun of my HTML skills- bwahahahaha
Oh piss off Kraut features. Shouldn’t you be concentrating on your next attempt at world domination instead of making fun of a simpleton like me?
30 days before the demise of this website the mystery of Floozy’s gravatar is revealed. At least we have some closure.
And dime a dozen trolls such as yourself all share one quality, they are emboldened by the anonymity provided by the internet to talk shit they would never talk in real life. Cowardice has its advantages, I suppose.
It keeps one’s face free from scars.
I talk shit IRL.
Are you a coaward? Or do you talk shit and still have a unblemished face?
Now here you are with your faith
and your Peter Pan advice
You have no scars on your face
and you can not handle pressure
@ 108. And dime a dozen trolls such as yourself all share one quality, they are emboldened by the anonymity provided by the internet to talk shit they would never talk in real life. Cowardice has its advantages, I suppose.
Of course, you mean dime a dozen trolls like Thor? Right? Because Thor is anonymous to this day.
Absolutely. He, however, only trolls when he is cranky.
I stand by the fact that I talk shit “in real life”.
I dont know how you got mixed up in this, as I was addressing the lovely Kris up there, but since you are, I have absolutely no doubt that you, rhymes with orange, talk shit in real life.
That being established, nobody knows who “rhymes with orange” *is* in real life, which is kinda more my point.
I do
have we met!
A better question might be who doesn’t know RWO?
Nope. I just have magical powers.
busted.
I have deleted nothing, but now I have my suspicions about you, Donk.
wow wah wee wow!
I was replying to “Serge” and the comment “Are you a coaward? Or do you talk shit and still have a unblemished face?” and “Dee Dee”.
I think talking shit is a great activity. I dish it and take it. It’s only right.
I agree. I guess sometimes I end up crossing the line and have to headbutt someone’s fist.
well played
so sad to see you go- looked forward to your site ever day….
How dare you bring us back to the topic at hand! Everyone had just about forgotten about it and returned to their normal roles.
I think the answer is to start a podcast. It’s a lot cheaper than running a website. We could read articles from local papers, expose the truth, and start a new community around here. I think this is a great idea. I’m serious! Let’s do this.
“Take a chance, cause’ you might grow”
the articles are a vital cog in the wheel
We need articles to mock and ridicule.
I’d love to see a site dedicated to your view of things as they happen, flooze. I think it could be quite wonderful. I’d even ply you with alcohol in order to spice up some of the entries as the night wears on.
There are articles?
Huh.
There are definite articles, indefinite articles, and the occasional zero article used here all the time. The French even have a partitive article.
I am not saying get rid of the blogs/comments at all. I like the blogs and comments! I meant if the issue was money, it would be cheaper to do a podcast. But my idea isn’t perfect. I love listening to podcasts in my car or at home just like I love listening to NPR. For instance, in addition to typing comments into a blog, one could post a live comment through skype. What I am saying is make it a little more interesting by bringing in new technology. Every one can put the idea down all they want, but I felt like I should at least mention my idea. Discussion and debating is what it is all about! I suppose the real question is how do we keep CVillian alive? I have a lot of ideas on how to do that so I wanted to talk about it with my community.
CVillain I meant…
Sounds like the heat is driving you from the kitchen.
When and where are we getting together to have a drink to celebrate the good times had here? Someone email me and let me know. thurston622@mac.com
When and where are we getting together to have a drink to celebrate the good times had here?plan our campaign to keep cVillain going. Someone email me and let me know. thurston622@mac.com
FTFY
what does FTFY mean flooze?
Fuck That Fucking Yankee?
Flaming Taco Fried Yahtzee?
Freaking Timid Fluid Yippee?
Fixed That For You. I left off the YFT.
I want to drink! yes! And plan! And whatever… just let me know. But there’s drinking, right? Hook a brother up…
/perhaps I should check the old email, what with all these goings on…
hahahaha… you remind me of my new dog…”Bone… ddddddddid someone say bone….just let me know if there are bones right? Seriously can you hook me up dudes like with bones and shit…..”
hey kyle,
did you know that sentences starting with “did you know” are questions, and therefore should have question marks on the end?
sincerely,
orchid
Dear Orchid,
Rubbing salt in a dying man’s wound is never very nice. Let’s grammar police some of the other pissfucks on here, k?
xoxo,
Vicodin
hey asshole, i was trying to help out. it’s the first line of his website.
and kyle’s not dying; he’s moving on to bigger & better things.
it’s been a good run. thank you for the site. I’ve truly enjoyed it.
So…this site existed before Spicy Bear. Why can’t it go back to just being Thor and someone else? Is it because THERE IS NO THOR?
Lilith would never had let this happen- or so I have been told
good point.
Nice write up over at Johnny Hecuba’s Electro Whirl’o'mat:
http://escisme.blogspot.com/2009/07/mamacusa.html
Oh wait. No it isn’t. Its yet another, albeit slightly different, Michael Jackson Tribute.
Oh well.
@147 thanks for the shout-out.
these are the kinds of things people in newspapers, tv stations, other forms of media, have to deal with all the time! its sort of a given that there is absolutely no way to make everyone happy when you are trying to honestly “cover” a community in whatever form.
its hard, its tiring, its often thankless work — sometimes it feels like everybody just wants to hate on you and nobody understands that you are doing a GREAT thing for the community — it sucks!
but it IS an incredibly valuable tool for a community. and i feel like the only reason people who do it, do it, is because they understand that and they have thick skin and they are willing to withstand all of the negative things that go along with the job.
i guess i just want to say don’t give up. anyone in the media who is doing a good job is going to have a decent amount of haters — it comes with the territory! charlottesville would be much, much, much worse off if everyone who had to deal with these same problems (as outlined in original post) just gave up like this.
stay strong!! cvillain lives!!
I wonder why C-VILLE and the Hook haven’t jumped on this story as a “breaking news” item. I mean, CBS did, but maybe Kyle invited them.
they’re too busy–the pig mascot is missing in scottsville!!!!!
Oh noes! Say it isn’t so!
maybe it fell subject to swine flu?
Just kidding. @156. I would be a bad TV lottery announcer…
Well, dip me in Jagermeister and call me Fido! I totally did not see this coming. Of course, I’m just a part-time villain, but I will miss poring through the blistering witticisms & hilarious asides while I’m pouring myself into staggering, cross-eyed oblivion, killing threads as I blindside the fourth wall. Yeah, I heart making little sense.
Anyhoo, if this fantastic community happens to keep this hidey-hole of spasmodically drunken brilliance afloat, I shall shout my tongue-tied praises to the high heavens in the wee hours of the morning! (hopefully avoiding arrest, drunk Segway drivers and publicly fornicating hobos)
In conclusion, thank you for this wonderful distraction from the mundane drama that fills my everyday life.
A toast to you, the Villains!
Approaching 2 hours of moderation of a lilith comment.
They weren’t kidding about not having enough time, I guess, when lilith has to wait this long for approval.
If she had posted under lilith and not her name, her comment would have gone through.
are The Kooler Than Thou Kids waiting on baited breath for an official Lilith statement?
Not much of an official statement, really. Although I would like to hear her opinion/comment/suggestions on the topic at hand.
She just says, “Thanks for the shoutout” to a number that doesn’t make sense and ” I would be a bad TV lotery announcer”
Hey Thorz…. why don’t you sell the site on Ebay?
what about this: something that is structured around Cville News.. more fact…like a whitty Msn…. and a user interface like facebook?
a restructured cVillian?
If it’s not onion flavored, count me out.
Best of luck with everything!
2 cents: Site was neat and novel when it started, turned into one big echo chamber/inside joke, but whatever, many of the best loved blogs tread similar waters.
Hope you sell the domain for more than you expended.
Umm — Am slow to react.
For example: there was a time, years ago, I guess — when a beloved cat of mine ran away from home, for no reason I could understand. And it took me 6 months to process that. Then, one night, I found myself bawling about it.
I’m not much better now than I was then. Although the cat story dates to the early 80’s, before most of you were born, I suppose. Which is no slight upon anyone.
All I do know for sure right now is this: Nobody Gets To Pick On Kate!
You have been duly advised.
Regards,
Best of luck, Kyle. You did a rock star job. The bullshit is often just too thick, probably no more so in cville than anywhere else but it often feels that way. Sorry I disappeared for so long, I would have defended you, even though it wouldn’t have helped at all.
PS: So I guess this means I never get to meet Thor, huh? Too bad, I would have bought him gelato.
cVillain jumped the shark at least a year ago.
That is why a shark is in the new CrossFit logo
this hath cleft my heart in twain
I’m gonna hork a space bag tomorrow in tribute to this fine publication…and to get drunky, natch.
Street: internet-jargon question.
Could you explain ‘natch’ to me in this and related contexts? i never quite caught on.
Oh, hey, Let Me Google That For You
shen, somehow that was less helpful than i have the imagination to describe. for example:
“8. natch 37 up, 187 down
How someone with a cold or no front teeth describes a pussy.
“Man, she had a tight ‘natch.” “
otterdung: Natch = Naturally.
oh, thanks. That’s easy.
I thought it was something more obscure, esoteric, and British. Like ‘faugh’ or ‘Floozy’.
omigawd! look at the time! It’s beer30! Time to hit ye olde wateringe hole.
Up then rose that maiden still,
And to her chamber went she tho;
Down upon her bed she fell,
That nigh her herte brast in two.
Launcelot wiste what was her will,
Well he knew by other mo;
Her brother cleped he him til,
And to her chamber gonne they go.
Can a brother get some bailout cash up in here.
as reading/commenting here was my sole employment
and productive use of time…
and, plausibly, happiness… i’d say we’re entitled to something from Der Prez.
y’know, otterdung, I was surprised when you asked what “natch” meant, but not “hork a space bag”.
hahahahaha!!!!! Sometimes we learn best by doing.
Knocked out my Spacebag-Horking Internship a few years back.
Happy Fourth, Street—and all dear independent others.
Good riddance.
You and Palin quit the same week. How creepy is that?
It is the nature of all online communities to grow uncontrollably and then collapse.
cVillain wasn’t built in a day. When in cVillain, do as the villains do?
Sorry, playing word association in my head. I’ll go back to my corner now.
So the code ends when the site ends, right?
that would be… awkward. WERE the site ever to end, it seems perhaps best to let that ending close the book on all participation in the site, and leave identities buried with it? I suppose my interest here is vested–I’m still pushing for Most Favoured/Beloved Artist status with PCA.
Cvillain has squeezed my life like a sponge.
Though I have been, always, as a river unto My People, I have no more to give.
/unless blistering scorn counts…
Mini-Cerberus won’t let you leave this Hades of yours.
Absolutely, I’ll finally get to know who you are.
Use only as directed. Do not use cVillain while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Website contains small parts and is not intended for use by children under the age of eighteen. Your office chair can be used as a flotation device. In the event of decreased air pressure, oxygen masks will pop out of the top of your monitor. This page made from 100% recycled electrons. Do not use cVillain with a petroleum based lubricant. No animals were harmed in the preparation of cVillain; only humans. cVillain contains no CFCs.
Do I end?
Do you have a code, Thor? Perhaps you should see a doctor.
does Kyle’s departure from Cvillain have anything to do with the sex scandal about to unfold in the wake of Sarah Palin’s resignation? it can’t be a coincidence.
Palin is serious right wing MILF. Dang…a chick in a flag bikini waving a her gun..guns…
It would be like living in Colorado where the fat chicks and smokers all stay inside, out of sight and smell.
The flag bikini/gun photo is shooped.
/hay gais.
Look who else is closing on July 31? I wonder if anybody likes chocolate.
http://www.hersheygifts.com/
Say it ain’t so! I’ve been lurking on the site for years, enjoying the posts, and even the inside-joke-ness of it all. I make my first comment (about the MRI fiasco) and BAM! the site goes under like a house of cards. Just call me “The Cooler”. Hope you chuckleheads can mount a decent response and save the site. I’ll be sure not to post anything if you get it up and running.
well fuck.
I’m just proud I never once made a comment sober. Not once.
wow, it’s just a little egotistical of cathy harding to think kyle is blaming cvillain’s demise entirely on their article. because, um, i see a list up there.
link?
i think the editor’s letter, like the rant, isn’t online, just in the hard copy.
who needs THE RANT when you’ve got cVillain! oh, wait….
“C-ville Weekly” …or is it “Civil Weakly”?
*sigh*
Fuckers.
I’ll let it die in pieces.
dgl19652003, did you notice the MRI article was deleted when the comments got too informative? Well it could have just been technical incompetence. Though delinked & no longer in the “older entries”, it does still exist:
http://cvillain.com/2009/06/16/david-and-goliath-fighting-uva-and-martha-jeffrson-for-reduced-health-care-costs/
it’s actually page 2 of news:
http://cvillain.com/category/news/page/2/
but then again, the conspiracy theories are really exciting.
Oh good!
To quote a man I don’t personally have much affection for — “The Boss” (Jesus… whose Boss is that?!) :
“Someday we’ll look back on this, and it will all seem funny.”
or of course, the Big V:
Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit.
well that was “otterdung” to me?
Another one bites the dust. Web sites seem to come and go around here, just like the startup .coms in the 90’s here in the village. cVillain started out nicely but rapidly become yet another “everything in C-Ville is lovely” ad-driven corporate-ish site. Outskirts is about to enter decade two of pointing out the idiocy of this place and will never weaken. Viva La Outskirts!
Meanwhile…did a single person go to Artini 3? I heard they were letting people in for free within an hour of the start due to lack of humanity.
why so negative? everything in c-ville IS lovely!
Been out of town lately?
je ne comprends pas.
hunh? skipping quickly over the obvious string of caustic and invective rejoinder to your uncharitable remarks envers Cvillain…
please tell us a little bit more about your http://www.outskirts.com : its purpose, history, traffic, moderation, policies, posting regularity, etc.
So, what’s the story, morning glory? Trying to filter through the grandiloquent yet always amusing (I’m getting verklempt) matching of wits, poignant observations, inane arguments and even the occasional out-of-left-field-WTF comments that only punctuate the collective (perhaps even cult-ish) sense of community this website has woven into Charlottesville is a bit overwhelming.
has anyone ever heard of outskirts.com? what’s the deal with it?
is it offering itself as an alternative Cvillain? What gives?
Does anyone else ever read ppl as pipple? Never fails.
I am woman, hear me roar.
Oh yes I am wise
But it’s wisdom born of pain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman.
I love Helen Reddy.
i saw a DANPRI comment on one OUTSKIRTS post, but didn’t find any other cvillains by name.
Well, this site jumped the shark when the inmates no longer had the message boards and it went all blog. It had potential, but when 90% of “little birdie” info was from one person well…
But many of us did have a good laugh at the idea that the 12 regular posters would actually be able to keep the site running. I suspect that 1-2 of those actually could do it, but not one of us would even pony up a dime to start a pool to see how long that lasted.
Have at it.
Ta.
Not much has happened around here lately. Digging back in historical records you’ll see some days had far more posts.
ae you inviting all of us over there should any mishap befall Cvillain?
the BIG question, and a BIG credential, is “Has any asshole photographer sued you yet?”
i like how one of the articles on the front page talks about how “snow started falling around 3pm today…”
c’mon, don’t have on the “best blog in cville.”
Looks like no one reads your site
Boy am I sad to see you guys go. You were the one true unabashed portal of information for all my out of town friends who wanted to experience the real flavor of Charlottesville, not some puffed up version. No one really knows how much time, work, stress, and resource it requires to run a startup. Yet, everyone is ceretainly a critic. Being in the public eye and under constant fire is a shop worn drag. So your descion to call it quits makes perfect sense. Like my rock star buddy says, ” being rich is great – being famous sucks “.
The truth is C’ville is not a ” world class city “, but a small town. And like all small towns, feelings get hurt, rumors spread, and swords cross. Thus the demise of the Cvillian is truly a sad day for our little Hamlet, and reminds me how many years ago a fledgling little alternative newspaper in my hometown found itself in a similar position. Critics railed against the publication and its creative force for being to gay, to shocking, to outspoken, and to edgey. The truth is the paper was just to honest and to dam funny for most. Somehow this news source endured. And today, Seattle has the Stranger and the world has Dan Savage.
So in closing, I say that your analysis is spot on, and your honesty and humor will be sorely missed.
Thanks for a great 2 years.
Sincerely,
William Trager
That was well put as anything I myself could muster.
But — having said that, must mention that it’s only the 20th of the month… and you said you’d still be running this until the 31st. So why does it feel as though you’ve already left the building?
Me? I could use another 11 days of merriment and mirth on here. I can use all the help I can get!
Respect,
Agreed. Kyle checked out the day he posted his note.
Done and done.
Kyle’s got another post in the works. Give it time, grasshopper.
it’s been three weeks
Hiya –
Today I would direct your attention to Kate Malay’s well put together letter to the editors in C-Ville Weekly.
Like it or not — she did a bang-up job assessing what has happened around here.
At least I thought so!
Scroll down the page for her thoughts:
http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064423910&ShowArticle_ID=11802007093153168
read it twice now and this is my take-away: 1) cVillain had a bad name from the start (literally); 2) a suggestion to post with your real name; 3) cVillain is credible and entertaining; 4) cVillain isn’t worth saving because the comments shift relevance away from posts.
A $20 bill through the laundry still buys what you need.
odd that she’d write it there and not here. odd that although she worked for The Hook she’d write it to the C-ville (tho’ it was great and generous of Cathy H. to print a full-length somewhat rambling opinion-piece as a letter-to-the-editor). Odd that she was not especially chummy. Odd parts about restaurant reviewing in NYC, odd also that anyone in a city of 9 million people it would make any difference whether you wrote under your own name or pseudononymously.
I also found it to be rambling.
Quite a few…. and each one filled me with inner joy.
It’s not awesome anymore? Why didn’t anyone tell me? Dang nab it.
This paragraph perplexes me: “So there is little substance left to save. It’s like a $20 bill that goes through a full load of laundry. If things had been gentler, it could have been worth something. Charlottesville was a vulnerable community that turned into an unwilling market, and I’m glad the city stood up for itself. C-VILLE has a lot to do with that, and I hope any members of the community that have ever shuddered at hearing the name “cVillain” find an opportunity to thank the publication.”
Why is it expected that commenters should clean up their acts and that businesses/establishments/people should take seriously/listen to commenters anyway? Do not blame the commenters for cVillain’s demise. If the comments were such a detriment, why make the site a forum?
Also, why the compliment to C-VIILLE?
I know. Ridiculous.
Well if anyone knows rambling it would be you otterdung. I liked the letter and thought Cville probably ran it because the Hook may have thought after being called UNCUS by this site that it was just going to ignore cvillain’s demise. It’s time for us to walk into that bright light and find out what new adventure awaits. I have stayed too long at this party myself and better get out of here before someone hands me a garbage bag and a broom.
Adios
That’s right. Stay for the drinks and party favors, but leave before someone asks for a bit of help.
I think I am the only one who does not see the party metaphor. I see this site for what it is.
gee whiz kiddo—that wasn’t me who said it was rambling.
Can someone tell me what UNCUS means?
1 . The name of the underground anti-cvillain rogue nation was “UNCUS” or “UNited Cvillains Usurping Scowly.”
It’s The Hook.
July 30th not 31st.
rhymes with orange, probably she meant “Charlottesville was a vulnerable community that turned into an unwilling *target*”, not “market”, typo. Maybe the management more than the posters started going after old media and posting sub-Maxim quality drive-by articles. Cheap stuff just to get a rise out of the commenters. The commenters were usually classier than the Thors. IMHO.
And another thing, there were two antisemetic attacks on the photographer dude because of his name. Both by commenters, actually. Bad, but the really bad thing was only once did one poster call a commenter out on it.
tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock…
Mourn not the end of cVillain, but celebrate how brightly it burned, how it unified folks from all walks of life, that it gave us a pleasant distraction from the monotony of the daily grind, the dancing, the parties, the….aaah, fuck this….let’s go have a drink.
I come to bury CVillain, not to praise it;
The usurping of old media that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones and anal retentive photographers
So let it be with Kyle … The noble Thor
Hath told you Kyle was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Kyle answered it …
Here, under leave of Thor and the rest of the drunks
(For Thor is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men and chicks)
Come I to speak in Kyles funeral …
He was my friend, faithful more or less and just to me and the other hotties:
But Thor says he was ambitious;
And Kyle is an honourable man….
He hath brought many captives home to Rome, and South Street and X Lounge
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill: and the tip jar
Did this in Thor seem ambitious? Well kinda
When that the poor have cried, because they were broke from thy shots. Thor hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff: I know right.
Yet Thor says he was ambitious; And kind of boring.
And Thor is an honourable man. Making plans for that kickin Amway franchise.
You all did see that on the Lupercal. What. I think he meant The Box.
I thrice presented him a kingly crown, I tried to give him a blowjob 3 times outside Ventanas.
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition? Bastard
Yet Thor says he was ambitious; I think he’s gay
And, sure, he is an honourable man. Not so much
I speak not to disprove what Thor spoke, Sometimes
But here I am to speak what I do know. Which isn’t a damn thing
You all did love him once, not without cause: And that was?
What cause withholds you then to mourn for him? Multiple.
O judgement! thou art fled to brutish beasts, I think he meant tits.
And men have lost their reason…. Bear with me; No kiddiing.
My heart is in the coffin there with Thor. We are making out.
And I must pause till it come back to me. That is the romantic in me.