Bank Stops Lending to Landmark Hotel Project; Construction Halted

Will the Landmark hotel look like this again? Probably not, but according to the Daily Progress,  an Atlanta bank has failed to make construction loan payments on the Landmark Hotel site and Halsey Minor has halted construction on the hotel. The article explains:

Under an agreement with the bank, Minor said, he would pay $7 million in equity and the bank would pick up as much as $24 million to pay for the project’s construction. Minor said he has paid his share, but the bank has fallen behind and missed a $1.1 million payment that was due Friday. So far, Minor said, the bank has paid around $4 million of its total $24 million obligation. 

Um, hello. Banks just don’t not make payments on construction loans for no reason. Construction loans have a lot of covenants that are often overlooked in good economic times. If things don’t look as good, the bank might have a legal reason to not pay its obligation.  Or, maybe the bank has its own financial problems.  It’s hard to believe, even when you want to rooftop bar and free drinks sooo badly.

How about some real journalists call that Atlanta bank and find out the other side of the story?  Sure, maybe the bank is to blame, but my boozstincts tell me otherwise. Hopefully the bank isn’t shutting down, because that would delay the construction a long time.

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150 Responses to “Bank Stops Lending to Landmark Hotel Project; Construction Halted”

  1. 12 Nov 2008 at 10:50 am
    still hungry and broke said:

    hopefully this is not true or going to be worked out by monday. what a disaster. can you imagine a half built hotel screwing up the skyline and reminding all how shitty things are right now. For a guy with all that money, Halsey Minor sure seems to have a lot of trouble with his finances..

  2. 12 Nov 2008 at 10:58 am
    Blanco Nino said:

    fail.

  3. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:00 am
    shenanigans said:

    I predict OD will be all up in this thread’s grill in 3…2…1…

  4. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:01 am
    colfer said:

    Stick with the obvious. The banks are hoarding cash ever since the mid-September meltdown.

  5. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:06 am
    Dr. rotinaJ said:

    construction will surely resume once all the bank’s executives get their two-comma xmas bonus.

  6. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:19 am
    echo said:

    I was just thinking to myself last week, “when are they going to stop construction on the hotel? Surely, whoever is financing it is as strapped for cash as the rest of the world.”

  7. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:25 am
    Hawkins said:

    God DAMN it! I want my rooftop bar! I’m even willing to pay for my own drinks.

    I hope I’m wrong, but I wouldn’t bet on this being resolved by Monday.

  8. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:29 am
    belmont yo said:

    @ 7 Well, you can still have a rooftop bar… just bring a flask, a post card of Peaceable Kingdom, and wear some clothes you dont mind getting dirty.

  9. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:40 am
    otterdung said:

    OH, SNAP!!!!!!
    OH, SNAP!!!!!
    OH, SNAP!!!!!!!

    I am on this shit like hair on a fucking goreeeeeeeeeeeeeeela.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

  10. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:44 am
    otterdung said:

    You’d think the money he saved on haircuts would offset the cash he blew on the Satiated Sheep of Ashphodel painting, and the money he’s SURE (wink-wink and hahahaha again) to win from the Sotheby’s lawsuit would take care of budget shortfalls on this little pet-project.

    one assumes the CITY OF CVILLE will bail him out as they did for the OMNI,
    and just tack Halsey’s hotel and persobnal and art expenses onto city taxpayer burdens.

    /it WOULD be worth it for a rooftop bar, though.

  11. 12 Nov 2008 at 12:05 pm
    otterdung said:

    “After the article ran online, Minor left a rambling comment quibbling with details. But he never disputed the story’s central question: Has Minor spent so impulsively and unwisely on art, real estate, new startups, and a new wife (Shannon, pictured with Minor, above), that he’s running short on cash? He doesn’t answer that. Instead, he declares himself “the baddest psycho in bass fishing.” The comment seems as delusional as this moment he recounts in the story:”

    http://valleywag.com/5054641/halsey-minors-endless-complaints

    funny he doesn’t comment so much HERE anymore.

  12. 12 Nov 2008 at 12:23 pm
    shenanigans said:

    Quick, everyone leave the thread and let OD keep rambling to himself.

  13. 12 Nov 2008 at 12:37 pm
    otterdung said:

    @12
    i adore you Shenanigans, as well you know, and would never gainsay you.

    however:

    Quick, everyone, take a kneepad and see if communal inhaling will vacuum us back to Halsey’s favour!!!!

  14. 12 Nov 2008 at 12:54 pm
    doofus said:

    “A spokeswoman for the bank said late Tuesday that the bank was not sure that it holds the loan for the project and that they would look into the matter today”

    Some guy in Dusseldorf probably has the loan.

  15. 12 Nov 2008 at 12:55 pm

    OD, will you quit chasing away people that want to get us wasted?

  16. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:12 pm
    Thurston622 said:

    Where the fuck are you going to park for this hotel? Let’s say your 70 year old parents want to stay at this hotel and have a ton of luggage in their car. Where in the fuck are they gonna park and carry all their heavy luggage?

    Let’s say there are 100 rooms and it’s a HUGE homecoming football weekend in Charlottesville. Ok, so there are 8 people trying to check in to that joint at the same time. Where would you put your car while you unloaded?

    I just don’t see how it is gonna work at all and we don’t need this place in my humble opinion.

  17. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:17 pm
    Floozy said:

    Thurston…. it’s a new concept from California. You actually take your car with you to your room. It’s all the rage apparently.

  18. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:17 pm
    otterdung said:

    @16
    valet service and valet parking.
    elegantly-dressed multi-lingual immigrants will whisk away your luggage,
    and tool off in your aston-martin, storing it in underground garages
    where they themselves sleep at night on pallets.

  19. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:20 pm

    @16 My concern would be how I could shove them out of the way while walking to the bar on the roof. They shoulda been packing light and driving scooters anyhow.

  20. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:21 pm
    shenanigans said:

    @16: There’s this crazy contraption called a PARKING GARAGE or such 10 feet away.

  21. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:23 pm
    parlie said:

    you’re a parking garage.

  22. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:24 pm
    parlie said:

    do the math!

  23. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:25 pm
    shenanigans said:

    Ok. parlie=douche

  24. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:27 pm
    Floozy said:

    @19 Duck…hahahaha… that image is so fucking funny… old people littered around the lobby clutching their broken hips as ddg strides through on his way to the Roof Top Happy Hour.Sick Bastard.

  25. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:28 pm
    parlie said:

    parlie > (shenanigans)^2

  26. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:39 pm
    shenanigans said:

    parlie has a tiny integer

  27. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:46 pm
    oy said:

    apparently there’s still enough money to pay the crane operator…

  28. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:48 pm
    Thurston622 said:

    There is a parking garage several blocks away, not 10 feet

  29. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:48 pm
    Thor said:

    @27.. ya that shit is still being worked on.

  30. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:49 pm
    echo said:

    @28: There is a parking garage across the street, literally directly across the street. It’s big and never full, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

  31. 12 Nov 2008 at 1:57 pm
    shenanigans said:

    @28: Have you ever been to C-ville? There is a garage right in front of this hotel site. Right in front.

  32. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:00 pm
    dieter said:

    Seriously, you could Evel Knievel a moped from the top of the hotel to the top of the parking garage.

  33. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:03 pm
    26 world said:

    perhaps the crane could airlift cars to the top of the garage.

  34. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:11 pm
    otterdung said:

    from CvilleNews.com:

    “Lastly, the foundation at the Landmark is rock solid. You can see it for yourself. And we will have some great artistic surprises in store — not purchased at Sotheby’s.” —Halsey Minor September 5th 11:11am

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2790718.html

    “I’ll get it up,” Minor said.

  35. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:17 pm
    shenanigans said:

    Halsey Minor will get it up.

    Ahahahaha…

  36. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:17 pm

    “I’ll get it up,” Minor said. “Just hopefully ________ will turn around.” (taken from actual article)

    Let’s play fill in the blank shall we?
    Winner gets to mock the person who gets a Scowly tattoo for an iPod while the ink being done.

    Who’s first!

  37. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:28 pm
    shenanigans said:

    I predict Manchen will show up in this thread soon.

  38. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:29 pm
    otterdung said:

    @34
    (you can see for yourself that the foundation is rock-solid
    because there’s nothing else THERE to see, because
    he can’t afford to build anything on TOP of that foundation.)

    @35, @36
    bless you.

  39. 12 Nov 2008 at 2:29 pm
    shenanigans said:

    Aww man, that didn’t work.

  40. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:22 pm
    Thurston622 said:

    Shen… I’m six generations from here…

    I haven’t really looked all that closely at the project. I did not know there was a new garage going up as well. How many cars will it fit?

  41. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:25 pm
    shenanigans said:

    @40: Gah! It’s called the Water Street parking garage and it’s been there for years.

  42. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:26 pm
    parlie said:

    but where is it?

  43. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:34 pm
    echo said:

    Thurston, to give you an idea of where it’s located and a sliver of evidence it already exists, I’m fairly certain the picture at the top of this thread was taken from the parking garage.

  44. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:35 pm
    shenanigans said:

    Hey Thurston, you know the photo at the top of the post? It was taken from the parking garage.

  45. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:36 pm
    shenanigans said:

    Not again. Jinx, you owe me a coke, echo.

  46. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:38 pm
    echo said:

    Regular or diet?

  47. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:38 pm
    parlie said:

    jesus christ i hope the box opens soon.

  48. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:42 pm
    shenanigans said:

    Regular, glass bottle.

  49. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:44 pm
    orchid said:

    i believe they have those at aqui es mexico!

  50. 12 Nov 2008 at 4:47 pm
    parlie said:

    i heard they were going to turn the parking garage into a high-end, late-night dance party blog.

  51. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:08 pm
    Thurston622 said:

    Man, I got to really do more parking garage research, eh?

  52. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:11 pm
    Lulu said:

    @51: Whoa, “parking garage research” only returns 19 ghits. Pretty good.

  53. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:25 pm
    otterdung said:

    assuming the rich-folks (i can say that now that Obama’s been elected) own Humvees and LandRovers to supplement their Bentleys, there is no parking problem at all at The Grand Halsey Hotel–most of those 4×4 vehicles can easily run over cinderblocks and steel girders laying around in ankle-deep mud, which describes the hotel as it is and seems likely to remain well-beyond the June 2009 contracted-completion-date.

    The problem at the hotel is not a parking problem, but a HOTEL problem, inasmuch as all construction has been stopped while HM files yet ANOTHER frivolous lawsuit.

    that said, many tourists travel the world ’round seeking ruins to gaze upon, two vast and trunless legs of stone, wankety-wank, and perhaps a nice room at the EMPTY city-subsidized OMNI will do them as nesting-place from which to launch their pedestrian tour of Halsey’s Folly, unbuilt.

  54. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:27 pm
    otterdung said:

    trunkless, sorry—from Shelley.

  55. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:32 pm
    Floozy said:

    Shut the fuck up, not sorry—from Floozy

  56. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:32 pm
    Thurston622 said:

    Since there seem to be some piling on on our local hair model Halsey Minor, did you guys know that he gave 35 million to UVA and then never paid it? It was earmarked for some kind of special new communications dept. Not paying for awful art, construction, gifts to UVA.

    Otter, I’d like to buy you a drink of your choice sometime (as long as it’s not one of those 100 dollar jobs). You are a weird cat. When is the next gathering of the cvillains?

  57. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:46 pm
    otterdung said:

    @55
    did i tread on your shelley again, or are you the fergie to HM’s HM now? WTF, catty wench–is this the only pretentious oaf you won’t tangle over?

    @56
    BLESS YOU. i’ve been SAVING that fact for weeks now. it was hilarious. he gave the money, refused to sign a contract guaranteeing it, then took all the money back leaving the project in the lurch (unbuilt, as it were–like the hotel).

    He has this ‘bad-boy-we-luv-you’ image he cultivates, but it’s ungentlemanly bratty almost bipolar peckishness and bad-faith. I LOVE this guy—can’t anyone share my delight that we have him, our very own?

    thank you for the offer… i would love to have one with you. gimme a day or two, i’m drafting a cover letter and tidying up my resume to send to HM… anyone got an address?

  58. 12 Nov 2008 at 5:58 pm
    Thurston622 said:

    Otter, what would you like to do for Mr. Minor.? Perhaps be in charge of accounts payable? Perhaps work in his Integrity/trust/giving department? You could procure hair care products?

  59. 12 Nov 2008 at 7:12 pm
    Floozy said:

    Thurston….I think he would shine like a beacon of competency as VP of Bullshit and Constant Blathering. But that’s just me…… and according to Ruggers I’m a total meanie.

  60. 12 Nov 2008 at 7:35 pm
    rugby road said:

    You are a meanie

  61. 12 Nov 2008 at 7:38 pm
    Floozy said:

    hahahahaha…

  62. 12 Nov 2008 at 7:40 pm
    Floozy said:

    Specifically why, pray tell…because I impugned your motives for a Muse and said you just wanted ‘hand relief’?

  63. 12 Nov 2008 at 7:51 pm
    rugby road said:

    Yes

  64. 12 Nov 2008 at 7:53 pm
    rugby road said:

    You are not only a meanie, and also exhausting.

    I have been saying hello here for 8 or 9 days, but this feels like a year of the worst relationships imaginable.

  65. 12 Nov 2008 at 8:07 pm

    @64 You shouldn’t seek online relationships anyway…

  66. 12 Nov 2008 at 8:14 pm
    rugby road said:

    @65
    no worries

  67. 12 Nov 2008 at 8:47 pm
    Floozy said:

    Ruggers….. you surprise me. Was it not me that welcomed you originally to the Cvillain party? Have I ever said shitty stuff about you? No.
    Apart from ribbing you about your Muse advert which was such an easy snarket, I defy you to tell me exactly why you have set your cap against me… was it the comment about the velociraptors and the corgis? Perhaps you are too delicate for the internetz?
    Sad Flooze :(

  68. 12 Nov 2008 at 9:09 pm
    Floozy said:

    Oh and in case you are too meek to publicly berate me, although it holds no fear for me, you are welcome to send me an email at boozyfloozy999@gmail.com and unleash your fury…. as is anyone else for that matter… since it all goes to spam anyway ….hahahahha

  69. 12 Nov 2008 at 9:47 pm
    Taliesin said:

    HM = Lloyd Braun. “Serenity now, insanity later.”

  70. 12 Nov 2008 at 10:29 pm
    buster said:

    @ 53 how dare you put ozymandias and whatshisname in the same sentence. for shame. now shut up. ;)

  71. 12 Nov 2008 at 10:38 pm
    Lulu Fishpaw said:

    @ 57, oh I share your delight. To know him is to love him! Seriously, you can’t make up shite like this– it’s the stuff of novels and bad late-night TV. Douchery on a grand scale.

    However, he’s not strictly ours, as we share custody of HM and his missus with San Francisco.

  72. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Let me sum up this thread’s commentary for those just joining:

    Halsey Minor labeled as Chief of Douchedom.
    Thurston couldn’t find his ass if it was handed to him, wants to date OD.
    Shen and echo spend entirely too much time hanging out.
    And I’m gonna drink on top of the building, finished or not.

  73. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:36 pm

    For the record, I probably will never like a person with a last name as a first name. Yes, sweeping generalisations and unfair assumptuous judgements, but like I said before, I can’t be concerned with the going ons and whatever else have you of rich people. They’re in a world I’ll never be in because they can afford to have priorities such as $15.x million estates, wanting (not just any jet but) Nathan Myhrvold’s jet, and oodles of at-the-hammer multi-million dollar paintings. By the sheer right of the rich alone, douchenozzleness is a given. I’d be gobsmacked should I meet a multi-million-billionaire who isn’t prone to the aforementioned neologic adjective.

    The only pseudo-celebrity-rich-man I’ve ever heard anything decent about in this town is John Grisham. But I’m sure I’ll be proved wrong. Regardless, be they Halsey, Coran, Dave, John, Sissy…I couldn’t care a whit. I’m depressed enough as it is by my own financial situation. If I were to start letting the antics of the wealthy get under my skin, this would be a goodbye as opposed to a hastily written, my-two-cents comment. I’m sure if I were born with a silver spoon up my nose and accumulated even more money later in life, I’d be trotting (thoroughbred pun) right along with Halsey in his kingdom of Douchedom.

    By the beard of Zeus, I only have 25 minutes left and still a half bottle of wine at the house…

  74. 12 Nov 2008 at 11:46 pm
    colfer said:

    Otter, back when the local gay press was obsessively covering a certain local boulevardier, the story of the new technologies school at UVa was explained in detail. An offer was made, UVa did not like the terms. I didn’t either.

  75. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:09 am
    colfer said:

    Scratch that, sorry. Different town.

  76. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:42 am
    Thurston622 said:

    Hey DDG, I’d like to buy you a drink on he top of the parking garage if I can find one 10 feet away from the ain’t going to pay my fucking bills motel! Colfer, at what website can I find the “local gay press”?

  77. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:43 am
    backup planet said:

    @75 ya think?

  78. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:44 am
    backup planet said:

    bbt, you’re thinking too much!

  79. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:45 am
    backup planet said:

    bbt, who’s counting? why do you think you only have 25 minutes left?

  80. 13 Nov 2008 at 10:13 am
    otterdung said:

    @74
    i’m having some trouble playing along with you in your incessant violating of The Code, dear colfer,
    since you have either so well masked your meatworld identity here on Cvillain,
    or are such an indistinguishable unmemorable non-entity in the real world
    as to have made not the faintest lingering impression upon me over the years.

    if you give me a hint or nine, i might be able to place you in memory
    and play as fast and loose in ignoring with my given word in observance of The Code as you do.

    Whom did I fuck amongst your girlfriends? I naturally regret it profoundly, as in my AWARENESS, i have not a single enemy in this town, and the only cause i could imagine to have one is some sortof proprietary claim of yours on some random chick i might briefly and now regrettably (regret since I appear to have ruffled you on that score) have caused you offense.

    So sorry.

    As I’ve said here repeatedly before, my solitude,
    hermiting, studies, and prayer occupy all my time now…
    so i am certainbly no longer a threat to anyone in the meat-world.

  81. 13 Nov 2008 at 10:19 am
    echo said:

    @82: I’m not seeing a code violation in 74.

  82. 13 Nov 2008 at 10:22 am
    otterdung said:

    @83
    then you don’t know shit, Baby.

  83. 13 Nov 2008 at 10:26 am
    Floozy said:

    echo… can’t you see it?? Gawd it’s glaring… and dreadful. Worst code violation ever… I am in total shock.

  84. 13 Nov 2008 at 10:28 am
    echo said:

    A code violation must involve a person’s name. I see no names.

  85. 13 Nov 2008 at 10:40 am
    otterdung said:

    ECHO—i think you could reread the code. in the cases of some persons, a name is not necessary to damningly identify a person. EDITOR OF CVILLE WEEKLY or AUTHOR OF SNEAKY-PIE BROWN’S CAT ADVENTURES would probably adequate to identify the persons to whom those advert.

    this colfer has made every effort to identify me on this website, in a dozen comments over the last two months, and has succeeded on numerous occasions in doing so to many of our members. not sure if this is the same asshat who dropped shen a note identifying me specifically by name, but either way the guy appears to have some form of petty resentment which he nurtures in skirting the letter of the Code.

    in any case, i certainly have demonstrated over the years that i haven’t the slightest qualms about saying all this stuff under my name, in print and in other media, and inviting criticism ad argumentum or ad hominem… however, i feel that the purpose of this site is best served if i continue to post anonymously as almost all of you do so post, and also that were i to use my real name it would cast an entirely different slant on what i say, and also be somewhat to the detriment of the site, as it has been in the past to other media outlets in this town.

    THOR/MODERATOR, just as a favour, could you drop an e-mail copy of the code to colfer with the reminder that we’re all friends here?

    COLFER, if you somehow object to my presence on the site, state plainly your reason for it, and i will give it serious consideration and as likely as not drop out of Cvillain completely—i have a lot of fun here, and enjoy the community, but i live by studyt and prayer and loneliness, which is my choice and my lot, so can just as easily fuck off aand encourage you-all to do the same in a tearful parting statement i have already drafted following several of your other petulant, petty and jackass attacks.

  86. 13 Nov 2008 at 10:54 am
    Thor said:

    the code is simple, don’t reveal another cvillain’s real life identity .. it has nothing to do with using their name or not. how is 74 a violation?

  87. 13 Nov 2008 at 11:09 am
    otterdung said:

    @88
    the inter alia irrelevancies to the comment itself are highly specific in doing so. much as asking me to reply to this are doing the same. i’m too busy to search the archives, but i could point out a dozen more such instances, three of them using my actual name; add the e-mail to shen.

    if he were doing so cleverly, or if i’d somehow invited him to do so, then certainly i might object less.

    waiting for him to reply with his objections to my being on the site, and as before, will be happy to quit because of them, should they have any merit recognized by the collective or deemed by me to be rational.

  88. 13 Nov 2008 at 11:22 am
    juicyfruit said:

    @89 you doth protesteth too much homeskillet. it’s not a violation of the code if nobody else knows what the eff he’s talking about, n’es pas?

  89. 13 Nov 2008 at 11:30 am
    Lulu said:

    @89: Egads, your real name is Halsey Minor? What kind of messed up self-ego issues do you have??? ;-) /s

    Hey, if it makes you feel any better, I, for one, have no idea who the hell you are. (Also have no real desire to find out, so there’s that.)

  90. 13 Nov 2008 at 11:33 am
    Floozy said:

    Thor, maybe we need a poll since we haven’t had one recently…. TITLE: Does anyone give a flying crap who Otterdung is?

  91. 13 Nov 2008 at 11:34 am
    otterdung said:

    @90
    sweetie, just b/c you have no idea and echo has no idea doesn’t mean that 100 other folks out here don’t.

    i can’t remember if colfer is the guy who was trying to cheat on his wife or not, but if that WERE the case, any hint that alerted his wife as to his identity as this person—even if no Cvillain OTHER than his wife knew it was him—would be sufficiently egregious violation.

    added to which, it seems that the rules of fair play under the Code should make it such that if a commenter DELIBERATELY breaks the Code, and the victim of that transgression recognizes, identifies and objects to that breaking of it, the victim after having on all other occasions made the same objection and given the same warning, those objections should be adequate to get the guy to play by the rules or shut the fuck up.

    i prefer broader anonymity for reasons above. if i’m not allowed it, then i quit. i’m just asking if this fuckwit intends to continue to do this sort of thing, necessitating my departure, or if he’ll abide by the spirit fo the Code and allow me to continue comfortably and happily on this site. this is a storm in a teqacup—i’m here or I’m not—no big deal either way. I’m just asking.

  92. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:01 pm
    juicyfruit said:

    @92: no

  93. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:12 pm
    otterdung said:

    @94
    you should direct your replies to asshat colfer, sweetness.

  94. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:20 pm
    belmont yo said:

    Honestly, how in the world is 74 a violation of the code? Had you not flipped your biscuits and gone on and on and on about it, that post would have been ignored by everyone. I am not anonymous, so it is hard for me to feel your pain. However, I have had some severely damaging things said about me on this site, and, I have posted many embarrassing things as well. The trick my dear otter, is to sage that shit. Post off in other directions. I know you are capable of voluminous content. Bury that shit deep in the comments and it will be relegated to the dustbins of ascii history. By posting multiple screeds about something that most folks here, myself included, dont even understand, you do unto to yourself ten times the injustice than that which thou doth protest against. Breath my friend. This too shall pass.

    Just my two coppers.

  95. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:37 pm
    ff said:

    Is calling someone “physically grotesque” a violation of the code (as Otterdung did in FFA #19)? If that’s not a personal attack then what is?

  96. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:38 pm
    otterdung said:

    i understand, of course, BYo…

    and value your advice and your general run of commentary above that of almost all others here. you are known and respected equally in flesh and font; i prefer not to be so for a variety of reasons. it’s just irritating to have this guy spring shit like this regularly and without the faintest oppprobrium from others. people are bitrching at ME for asking him not to do that shit?

    as above, this site is only fun for me a l’anonyme. if some witless world-nobody threatens that anonymity at random intervals, then there’s no point in my staying here—i may as well just use my name or write for the fucking papers or go back on tv.

    i have on other occasions similar to the above quickly changed the subject, ignored the comment entirely, or buried it under unrelated vociferations. but the Code is here such that i shouldn’t have to resort to deliberate subterfuge to cover up deliberate efforts to, as it were, unmask me. i’m not trying to hide, especially, but i’m on a website DESIGNED to allow one to remain, without conscious effort, anonymous.

  97. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:43 pm
    otterdung said:

    @97
    perhaps so, perhaps so.

    someone should have mentioned it at the time and i would happily have recanted, as i do so now. I’m sure whomever it was under discussion is a handsome lad and i was mistaken, offer my sincere apologies. Was i calling an anonymous poster on this site physically grotesque as a means by which to OUT or identify that person to other members on this site in the real world? I forget.

    That’s not, of course, the part of the Code i’m calling to here in my defense?

    but ff is colfer, isn’t it?

  98. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:43 pm

    @97 Dude, unless your name is “Physically Grotesque” or you bear a resemblance to Igor, then no.

  99. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:46 pm
    belmont yo said:

    @ 98 Well, perhaps there is an option that you have not yet considered. Whenever I feel like the site is getting to hot or personal, I merely create a new identity, and belmonty o takes a holiday. Works a treat, and the added challenge of trying to disguise one’s natural written “voice” is an excellent exercise. No one can hassle you if they dont know its you.

    Boney Motel, Cherry Oh Baby, or Black Marquette ring a bell? Just sayin.

  100. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:46 pm

    OD - take into consideration what byo said and what’s been repeated so many times. If you just keep your panties fron getting in a bunch, then the problem will soon dissolve away.

  101. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:47 pm
    echo said:

    @99 re 97: You were talking about Coran, so it’s ok.

  102. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:48 pm
    Oh the irony said:

    Half the people on here know exactly who otterdung is in real life so vague things that colfer say are irrelevant.

  103. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:51 pm
    otterdung said:

    @100
    thank you for that
    @101
    i thoguht we were discouraged from doing that, except under the one thread designed for that purpose.
    @102
    I know, luv-luv, it’;s just that this one fuckwit KEEPS DOING IT.

    generally—
    this is hardly a constitutional crisis.
    really i’m just asking one lurker-poster to either stop doing this or TELL ME that he’s going to continue to ignore the Code and KEEP DOING IT with the tacit approval of all of you and the moderator/Thor, in which case i’ll just go ahead and leave the site—not in chagrin/bitterness, just because it wouldn’t be fun if i have to keep dealing with shit like that… thassssss all.

  104. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:52 pm
    Thor said:

    enough people.. stop the personal attacks and stop the fighting.

  105. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Everyone crabby cause of the rain and cold or something?

  106. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:55 pm
    juicyfruit said:

    lol, there’s no fighting just whining

  107. 13 Nov 2008 at 12:55 pm
    belmont yo said:

    i thoguht we were discouraged from doing that, except under the one thread designed for that purpose.

    Rules? On the internets? Who woulda thunk it.

    Now excuse me, I have to mainline some tainted walmart catfood…

  108. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:00 pm
    Ethan said:

    Who gives a fuck

  109. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:02 pm
    juicyfruit said:

    nobody

  110. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:02 pm
    otterdung said:

    no fighting at all, just me having a great excuse to
    toss around words i love but never get to use, like: fuckwit, asshat, shitstick, jackleg…
    [though somewhat in fear that those descriptors MAY identify that guy to you-all in real life]

    /is this all a smoke-screen sneaky-lawyer courtroom technique
    /to throw us off the scent of HM’s business-embarrassments?

  111. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:07 pm
    otterdung said:

    wait, ethan is ff is colfer?
    this is getting WAY too complicated.

    /“Maybe Mr. Minor knows something I don’t,” Danielson said. “But I doubt it.”

  112. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:16 pm
    Anonymous said:

    If this site had real mods, they would have told this guy to STFU and GTFO by now.

  113. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:23 pm
    Floozy said:

    Which guy?…. and why do you have no name….

  114. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:27 pm
    Anonymous said:

    The one who won’t STFU. And I have a name—-Anonymous.

  115. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:30 pm
    echo said:

    If this site had real mods…

    That’s kinda the point. We don’t want/need real mods. Just a couple to help keep the peace and enforce the Code. No censorship. No STFU. No GTFO.

  116. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:33 pm
    Thor said:

    don’t make me put up another commenting on cvillain etiquette post

  117. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:35 pm
    Kate said:

    Hotel comment from a former frequent-traveler and ex-moderator: http://www.21cmuseumhotel.com. http://www.chambersminneapolis.com. http://www.sanjosehotel.com. http://www.graves601.com. Boutique hotels are great for cities. I’ve made trips to Louisville more frequently than I might without 21C (my all-time favorite hotel, ever, called 21C because it displays only 21st century art), and that means I invested money in its local economy in the form of: airfare, rental cars and gas, venue rental, event supplies, food, beverage, and temporary tattoos of red penguins. I loved going to the restaurant bar and meeting the most interesting locals–it attracts the eccentrics of the business crowd, foodies, and gay men, sometimes 3-in-1 package deals–and I hung out with the staff a few times, too. I genuinely dislike hotel chains (except Hyatt–consistently great), even the very high-end ones, so I always felt like my stays at boutique hotels in other cities were an extension of Charlottesville’s “buy local” attitude that I like so much. Keep drinking the Hatorade, as I know you will, but this is definitely a business that benefits business. (Sorry for overkill, but I am so pro-Landmark I had to say something.)

  118. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:45 pm
    otterdung said:

    “gay men, sometimes 3-in-1 package deals”

    someone will have to explain this one to me.

  119. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:47 pm
    Kate said:

    Also, if you like feeling that little surge of pride when a CondeNast publication writes something good about Cville, expect it to happen more with the Landmark up. This is a small city with an ego, and this boutique hotel will come up in our list of offerings.

  120. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:48 pm
    sillyputty said:

    I would think she meant gay-business men-foodies for the trifecta

  121. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:48 pm
    Kate said:

    @120 “all of the above”

  122. 13 Nov 2008 at 1:56 pm
    otterdung said:

    that was such a perfect set-up for you guys…. wasted.

    does Halsey know he’s building another Club 216?
    is that in the business-plan?—maybe the cracker Georgia Bank found out?

    do you think any of the gay men will be HAIRDRESSERS?

  123. 13 Nov 2008 at 2:02 pm
    juicyfruit said:

    kate, thanks for trying to keep the thread on topic and typing things actually worth reading

  124. 13 Nov 2008 at 2:19 pm
    otterdung said:

    god— i am, we ARE, cranky today.

    i don’t know that homosexual stereotyping is worth reading, but i agree with all Kate said about the value of a swanky hotel downtown, especially since a reporterly telephone-call to the OMNI determined it’s full-up even on a rainy nothing-weekend in late-autumn.

    the thread topic is the failure of the bank or Halsey or Danielson to continue construction
    on-schedule by living up to their financial commitments, resulting in the wholesale stoppage
    of the project, and not whether it’s good or bad to have a hotel. Berlin Alexanderplatz is worth reading
    and has swanky hotels in it, but it’s not on-topic either.

  125. 13 Nov 2008 at 2:39 pm
    Kate said:

    otterdung, I hope you didn’t misread my intention. A healthy lgbt scene in a diverse-crowd setting that’s not relegated to a stereotype like 216 is refreshing in a city far more conservative than ours, that’s all. And it’s a real observation–I’ve spent about two weeks over 4 trips at this hotel and ate at the hotel restaurant most of those nights and socialized. But thanks for naming more stereotypes, I’m sure it was appreciated. I’m sorry I talked, as I usually am.

  126. 13 Nov 2008 at 2:47 pm
    otterdung said:

    not at all, Kate—you are PERFECT,
    and juicyfruit was also, though mostly just taking a smack at me.

    charlottesville had once a claim to being one of the two or three most gay-friendly small cities in the US. and the stereotype is not offensive in the way you put it—there is a point of pride i think in a certain class of gay men being refined, cultured, courteous, delicate, tasteful, gregarious, etc etc etc. certainly an asset as clientele to any business seeking to market or position itself as ‘upscale’.

  127. 13 Nov 2008 at 2:47 pm
    sillyputty said:

    Kate there are many here who miss your comments and I hope you will always add more. Please don’t be shy about it.

    I like the new loft hotels that have been cropping up, it reminds me of the early days of W. People here forget the big deal the Monticello Hotel was when it was first built (well before our time). I look forward to The Landmark and all it will do for downtown.

  128. 13 Nov 2008 at 2:52 pm
    otterdung said:

    Kate, though—

    when i google landmark, i get a chain in UAE with lots of hotels in Dubai, India etc., and another chain in VA Beach/OBX, with lots of eastern-sounding (stereotype) names on the board-of-directors. Is our Landmark connected to the VA one or some other, and is it connected to the UAE chain?

    or did they just appropriate the name, rather than joining the franchise?

  129. 13 Nov 2008 at 2:57 pm
    Kate said:

    Thanks, sillyputty! I could go on about hotels for way too long, so I will try to keep it short when I gush over your mention of loft hotels. You are sooo right. Readers, vacation in New Orleans right now! Everything is so inexpensive. I feel badly for the city, that the local economy still stands as such, but the more people that go and pay $100 a night for a stay at the W now, the better things will be for the economy in time as the supply/demand price point increases. I hotel-hopped a little in NoLa, just for the fun of seeing the different boutiques, and my favorite was the sister-business to International House Hotel, Loft 523. (I hope html code still works in this bad boy.) I wanted to move into my room. Has anyone stayed at the South Street Inn? I’ve been curious abotu the accommodations.

  130. 13 Nov 2008 at 3:05 pm
    juicyfruit said:

    bedhopper bedhopper!

    /J/K…..

  131. 13 Nov 2008 at 3:12 pm
    sillyputty said:

    I do like the International House, it’s just close enough to the quarter without the noise and smell. The food down there puts most of Charlottesville to shame(no disprespect to our fair city).Cochon is the new belle of the ball but there is something about the Carousel Bar at the Monteleone Hotel (just for drinks, of course).

    You’ve got me cravin’ some good eats and I’m on a diet. I can’t believe I’m jonesing for some Café du Monde.

  132. 13 Nov 2008 at 4:13 pm
    Kate said:

    AHHHH! Cochon! You’re amazing, whoever you are.

  133. 13 Nov 2008 at 4:51 pm
    Floozy said:

    @133…. I think their pancakes are crap myself.

  134. 13 Nov 2008 at 4:57 pm
    Thor said:

    @133.. wait.. seriously? double creme stuffed pancakes laced with cream cheese and fried syrup is good?

  135. 13 Nov 2008 at 4:57 pm
    sillyputty said:

    Well, that just leaves more for me. After a night of drinking the sugar and starch do my body good.
    Next you will tell me that those lucky dogs aren’t good for me.

  136. 13 Nov 2008 at 5:11 pm

    @117 ahahahahaa… You won’t belive what went through my head when reading through these comments, especially yours:
    WOMAN:
    We don’t have a lord.
    ARTHUR:
    What?
    DENNIS:
    I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week,…
    ARTHUR:
    Yes.
    DENNIS:
    …but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting…
    ARTHUR:
    Yes, I see.
    DENNIS:
    …by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,…
    ARTHUR:
    Be quiet!
    DENNIS:
    …but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major–
    ARTHUR:
    Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
    WOMAN:
    Order, eh? Who does he think he is? Heh.
    ARTHUR:
    I am your king!
    WOMAN:
    Well, I didn’t vote for you.

    /Gawd, I love myself. Those who should never be able to amuse themselves have my deepest sympathies.

  137. 13 Nov 2008 at 6:49 pm
    colfer said:

    Geez Otter I apologized in @75 and it wasn’t about you. I’ll trust you’re just pretending to be so offended.

    About the hotel, Danielson hit the idea of boutique hotel about the time of the height of its trend wave on the West Coast, where he was, and then in a typically bonkers McCain-style approach, got it off the ground 5 years later, and I’m guessing the big-time construction firm on it bonded this job out the wazoo. I’m sorry Minor got drawn into it. That is my wild speculation, based on the personalities involved. Maybe somebody else knows more.

  138. 14 Nov 2008 at 2:22 am
    scoriole said:

    i spend more time either out of town but mostly working…
    i work where i can look at the hotel in construction.

    it’s f#$@%d up that it is in economic purgatory.for everyone.

  139. 14 Nov 2008 at 11:39 am
    otterdung said:

    @139
    colfer,
    you may always trust that i’m never offended,

    and i haven’t been actually angry since one time in 1993 when in a fit of sentimental pique i threw a confused girl’s leather jacket at another guy’s balcony, missed it, and quietly said ”aw, fudge”. anything of course you could do to allow me to remain hereon by letting me play as anon.-as-possible would be most appreciated, though. you evidently know me well enuf to be familiar with my infatuation with invective/emphatic prose stylings, and have my gratitude for allowing me to stretch myself in them yesterday.

    fondly,
    everyboooooddddyyyy knows my naaaaammme….

  140. 14 Nov 2008 at 11:43 am
    shenanigans said:

    Not uh. You were pissed when Max Bacon emailed me your real name.

  141. 14 Nov 2008 at 11:50 am
    otterdung said:

    @142
    oh, i forgot about that. 1993 and 2008.
    I get angry once every fifteen years, whether i need it or not.

  142. 14 Nov 2008 at 11:51 am
    otterdung said:

    @143
    don’t FUCK with me in 2023, yo.

  143. 14 Nov 2008 at 9:52 pm
    Thurston said:

    @ 72
    I don’t want to date Otter, just buy him a slow gin fizz…. Like my United States Military Academy (army) graduate football coach in high school said, ” I don’t care where people put their dicks, just as long as they don’t get them any where near mine…” I live by that code exclusively!

  144. 15 Nov 2008 at 1:26 am
    parlie said:

    sloe. sloe gin.

    30% more gross than regular gin.

  145. 15 Nov 2008 at 2:17 am
    otterdung said:

    made from/with sloe berries. but not sure where the expression sloe-eyed comes from, unless maybe the berries ferment on the bush and birds eat them, getting groggy/drunk, etc.

    i rarely drink but would gladly accept a large gin fizz, if it would please you–warn you though that in
    your kindness to me here you’ll win no friends influence no people and cut yourself off from Halsey’s bar-tab.

  146. 15 Nov 2008 at 4:01 am
    scoriole said:

    sloe gin fizz makes your mouth really red and gives you a grin like jack nicholson.

  147. 15 Nov 2008 at 9:21 am
    orchid said:

    1 : having soft dark bluish- or purplish-black eyes
    2 : having slanted eyes
    The expression “sloe-eyed” for a person with dark eyes comes from the fruit, and is first attested in A.J.Wilson’s 1867 novel Vashti.

  148. 15 Nov 2008 at 1:28 pm
    otterdung said:

    it is a fabulous cocktail; i strayed from it for a while because people kept using sour-mix on me.

    thank you, orchid—i’m usually too lazy to OED.
    i seem to know Vashti, but certainly picked up the expression elsewhere and, obviously, incorrectly.

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